Open Letter to Admin.

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Smokie

Smokie

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First let me say thank you again for keeping the lights on, MM.net is home for me and when I come from work I hang out with my friends and relax.

Lately there has been very little relaxing and I have noticed that deletions and closed threads are at an all time high, bad feelings are at an all time high, insults are at an all time high and CENSORSHIP is just way out of control.

Censorship and bannings will increase the anger and make the problem worse, the freedom to express your thoughts is KEY to the success of our forum. With FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY, the angry ones cannot expect to personally insult members of ADMIN either here or at another forum and EXPECT that insults will make anything better.

To ADMIN I suggest that you choose to moderate for the time been a more neutral person, I also suggest that you create a forum dedicated to discussing the present problem and any future problems and the only reason for a deletion would be profanity, not a difference of opinion.


To the angry, wounded and banned. Calling someone profane or derogatory names either here or at alternate sites without offering an actual solution to the problem solves nothing; it just makes everything worse...kinda like inciting a riot...understand?

If anyone is wondering; Javier "what side are you taking" let get this STRAIGHT I am on the side of the MEMBERSHIP of MM.net I have very good friends on both sides of this mess and I just plain feel sick that I should have to choose. By the way I will choose; so read this carefully:

I AM AGAINST CENSORSHIP

Main Entry: <SUP>2</SUP>censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing /<TT>'sen(t)-s&-ri[ng], 'sen(t)s-ri[ng]</TT>/
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable <CENSOR news the>; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

I AM IN FAVOR OF MODERATION

Main Entry: <SUP>2</SUP>mod·er·ate
Pronunciation: <TT>'mä-d&-"rAt</TT>
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
transitive verb
1 : to lessen the intensity or extremeness of <THE the chill moderated sun>
2 : to preside over or act as chairman of
intransitive verb
1 : to act as a moderator
2 : to become less violent, severe, or intense <THE moderate to began wind>

I AM AGAINST PERSONAL INSULTS

I AM ON THE SIDE OF MERCURYMARAUDERS.NET BEING THE BEST PLACE FOR MARAUDER LOVERS TO HANG OUT AND MAKE LIFETIME FRIENDSHIPS.

Now you know. Javier.
 
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Well put.

I had posts deleted for the first time just the day before yesterday. Nothing obscene, nothing political. Actually, I was supporting one of our best vendors.

If what I'm adding is worthless let the membership see that my thoughts aren't worth 2 cents. I think I can handle the humiliation.

But if we can't have differing opinions here than there is nothing left to discuss.

I too am in favor of MM.net being the best place for Marauder owners to hang out.

We needn't fear those who leave the site slamming the door behind them... we're better off without those eager to dish anything out in hopes of stirring something up.

We need to fear those that drift away quietly... that will turn this site into a ghost town.
 
I have been mostly skipping over the drama posts and ignoring the supposed situation. Now it's my turn ro be dramatic!! I really don't see anything abnormal going on here. This is normal stuff, folks. Users are getting used to the new owners and new admins. Some will get mad and leave, some will stay, some will get banned. This goes on all over the web every day. It's not new to me. I will be here as long as mm.net exists in any form. This site is a group of friends willing to help and advise me on ANY subject I might ask about. I ENJOY this site BECAUSE of heavy moderation. Keep it up!! I am pretty sure we all agreed to Terms Of Service that said we have to "play nice or get kicked out" when we signed up for membership. That is NORMAL for ANY web site or internet provider that has anything of value to me.

We now have a committee in charge instead of a benevolent dictator. This should be interesting! :)
 
There is some merit in what you say Javier. BUT when you see continual bashing, insults and some of the :bs:that is going on at the other site, I am having no problem in what the admin here is doing. A lot of two-faced people here bash people here and over there, playing both sides of the coin. I guess that is what they enjoy.

For example, we finally have a level playing field with S/C's. Never before did this exist here. A year ago if you mentioned anything, or even had a question on a different type of blower you got deleted or given a vacation.
This is just one example of the positive things that have changed here.

People have put their hearts and souls in the bettering of Marauders are here as well as over there. Put this petty stuff behind and lets continue to enjoy ourselves. Just like at Mv IV. That in my opinion is the only reason this is going on. Personality differences is the route cause here. Keep it simple, make a choice if you don't like it here, go over there.
 
Nice post Javier...you are truly one of, if not the nicest persons I have meet through the site...meeting you again at MVIV only confirmed this once again...you do carry weight IMNSHO...I have stayed away from posting about any of this because of rubbing someone the wrong way and making enemies...but...this started a long time ago some how some way that I am do not know the story on because I refuse to get involved in stuff like this camp and that camp and my people and your people...just does not work for me...I knew some were mad when it sold because certain persons were now owners and said owners have had previous conflicts with some members so I guess it was just a matter of time before there was a big boom...I have meet great people and I like them very much but I have little in common with most on here outside of the fondness for the Mercury Marauder and being old :smile:...so it is about the car and cars come with people who have different backgrounds and differing opinions...it is going to happen...I thought the mean spiritedness would subside on here and it has some...but...I believe some are shooting MM net in the foot...ADMINS please take Javier's post to heart because I do think he has some valid points and good suggestions...and I know he is not going to do or say anything to hurt this site...willie, a oldtimer looking from the outside
 
Smokie said:
To ADMIN I suggest that you choose to moderate for the time been a more neutral person....[/quote]

:baaa:

If you suggest it long enough.

Perhaps they'll listen.

:dunno:

I know why it hasn't happened to this point. ;)
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Put Javier in as the Neutral Person

Javier, having known you for quite some time and as much as I try to keep emotion out of anything, there are certain people that like to push issues (as per my PM). But personally knowing you, I hope you don't mind me suggesting you be that person. Your heart is in the place that counts.:beer:
 
Smokie said:
To ADMIN I suggest that you choose to moderate for the time been a more neutral person, I also suggest that you create a forum dedicated to discussing the present problem and any future problems and the only reason for a deletion would be profanity, not a difference of opinion.
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That defeats the reason some peaple wanted to buy MM.NET in the first place. Why would some of them want to spend the money and not get to throw their weight around?
 
MarauderTJA said:
There is some merit in what you say Javier. BUT when you see continual bashing, insults and some of the :bs:that is going on at the other site, I am having no problem in what the admin here is doing. A lot of two-faced people here bash people here and over there, playing both sides of the coin. I guess that is what they enjoy.

For example, we finally have a level playing field with S/C's. Never before did this exist here. A year ago if you mentioned anything, or even had a question on a different type of blower you got deleted or given a vacation.
This is just one example of the positive things that have changed here.

People have put their hearts and souls in the bettering of Marauders are here as well as over there. Put this petty stuff behind and lets continue to enjoy ourselves. Just like at Mv IV. That in my opinion is the only reason this is going on. Personality differences is the route cause here. Keep it simple, make a choice if you don't like it here, go over there.
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Some people like the feeling of being able to express themselves and not having the fear of being banned. There is no BS as you state, just nice people getting along.

Also, most that you consider two-faced have had the same feelings and let it be known for a long, long time.
 
MarauderTJA said:
There is some merit in what you say Javier. BUT when you see continual bashing, insults and some of the :bs:that is going on at the other site, I am having no problem in what the admin here is doing. A lot of two-faced people here bash people here and over there, playing both sides of the coin. I guess that is what they enjoy.

For example, we finally have a level playing field with S/C's. Never before did this exist here. A year ago if you mentioned anything, or even had a question on a different type of blower you got deleted or given a vacation.
This is just one example of the positive things that have changed here.

People have put their hearts and souls in the bettering of Marauders are here as well as over there. Put this petty stuff behind and lets continue to enjoy ourselves. Just like at Mv IV. That in my opinion is the only reason this is going on. Personality differences is the route cause here. Keep it simple, make a choice if you don't like it here, go over there.
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Not even close to true. One year ago, [just like today] FIT, Reinhart, and Trilogy had their own forums where questions could be asked and answered. Remember, it was Logan that gave FIT a voice and forum here. If what you say is true, that never would have happened.
 
The same people who have started a new website to get away from the nonsense they dont care for are the same ones who still log in here just as much as over there.
Make up your mind where you want to be and stick to it.
 
Zack said:
The same people who have started a new website to get away from the nonsense they dont care for are the same ones who still log in here just as much as over there.
Make up your mind where you want to be and stick to it.
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I always get stuff like this confused. Are there any other websites that a good MM.NET member shouldn't visit? Would you provide a list for me?
 
Zack said:
The same people who have started a new website to get away from the nonsense they dont care for are the same ones who still log in here just as much as over there.
Make up your mind where you want to be and stick to it.
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Why?
That's not even close to being a way to solve the real issues. The "other site" has been up for a long time. It's just become more prominent since some of the issues have been raised.
And if I recall correctly, some from this site, who tend to be more supported then others have gone over to www.motorcitymarauders.com and posted some things to stir it up some more, just when things were settling down. Right?
 
Rich_Long said:
Why?
That's not even close to being a way to solve the real issues. The "other site" has been up for a long time. It's just become more prominent since some of the issues have been raised.
And if I recall correctly, some from this site, who tend to be more supported then others have gone over to www.motorcitymarauders.com and posted some things to stir it up some more, just when things were settling down. Right?
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You mean this post?
http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545

What is untrue about it? Im listening :D
 
Zack said:
The same people who have started a new website to get away from the nonsense they dont care for are the same ones who still log in here just as much as over there.
Make up your mind where you want to be and stick to it.
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Sorry dude, I like both sites, and I'll visit both of them on a daily basis.:D If you believe your quote, then do what you say.:cool:
 
I would like to ask those that continue to post on this thread for a personal favor, when you post: is your intent to improve, suggest improvement, make better, calm tensions??? What is in your heart?

If you read my opening statement and came away thinking I am trying to start a war...you simply don't know me. I advocate civility, reason and mutual respect.

I write here exactly as I speak to any of you in front of your face...whatever I write in any other forum can be imported here and recognized as being ME. If you want to help make things better here...stick around and HELP. If you hate this place: all I can say is, I don't go places that I hate.

PS: This is not about any other site, this is about MM.net and only MM.net.
 
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