12s N/A possible?

It may be possible with enough $$$. Barry was closest @ 13.2, I believe I made it down to 13.4 and we were both very heavily modified, putting down about 300-320 rwhp. That's about all you're gonna get NA with standard displacement. Then after all that work somebody bolts a blower on an otherwise stocker and smokes you.
 
Glenn said:
You will probably need close to 400 RWHP to cut 12's. It just is not going to happen!! Save your money toward a SC and run 11's and still have a perfectly streetable car.

Glenn Ford
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Uhh..it damn near already has happened, and I did it on 302 RWHP.
Also, 13.2 NA yielded me more than a handfull of Trilogy kills in Indianapolis.:cool:

Back on topic...


Mest30 said:
Cruztaker, can you be more specific about your bolt ons? Did you have exhaust work done? How much of a difference does 110 octane make?
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KOOKS long tube SS headers
Free flow Cats, X-Pipe, 18” Magnaflow Mufflers
2.5 inch exhaust & Megs open tips
Intake spacer
PHP cold air kit
Motorcraft cooler plugs - 180 stat
Royal Purple engine oil
Superchips 4 pos. chip / Tuning for race fuel excess of 100 octane
P.I. Stallion 3000 stall converter
Transmission J-Mod - oem fluids
Dynotech MMC PI Driveshaft + Loop
Hurst Line Loc / Roll Control
Auburn High Performance LSD
Ford Motor Sports 4:10 Gear
Addco sway bar & polyurethane bushings
M&Z solid Control Arms
Eibach Springs
Sticky tires (spent Pirelli 295's)
Spare tire and excess weight removed

Left headlight removed
Air temps at or below 60 degrees
Track properly prepped out to 1000'
 
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sd8683 said:
According to pauls signature he has 293RWHP..... And he ran a 13.6, sooooo... Your saying he's gonna need 107 more RWHP to make up 7 tenths of a second... I don't think so!!
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You don't....

I dyno'd 302 to the rear on 94 octane.

I never dyno'd with my race fuel, but I know Lidio added atleast 5 to the spark for my 114 tune. That alone HAD to have added 30 hp to my equation taking me around 330+ NA.

These blower guys are just jealous. I only make like 425 or so without the NOS and run mid 12's all day. I'm not embarrassed to admit it.

I only got a blower because I want to whistle while I work.:P
Note...whistle...not whine.:(

My NA car was plenty fast with 330 rwhp.

Next year I'll show you all what can be done with only 425 rwhp.
And trust me...an ELEVEN won't be in the number.:D
 
CRUZTAKER said:
You don't....

I dyno'd 302 to the rear on 94 octane.

I never dyno'd with my race fuel, but I know Lidio added atleast 5 to the spark for my 114 tune. That alone HAD to have added 30 hp to my equation taking me around 330+ NA.

These blower guys are just jealous. I only make like 425 or so without the NOS and run mid 12's all day. I'm not embarrassed to admit it.

I only got a blower because I want to whistle while I work.:P
Note...whistle...not whine.:(

My NA car was plenty fast with 330 rwhp.

Next year I'll show you all what can be done with only 425 rwhp.
And trust me...an ELEVEN won't be in the number.:D
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I am all ears Barry. Puff Puff pass :rasta: Once you reach 12's you will want 11's then 10's. It a terrible addiction.
 
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You are not going to do it!!!

I repeat - no 4.6 NA MM is going to break into the 12's and still be a streetable car - it just is not going to happen - period. NO one has done it in 5 years - some close, but no cigar. Put your money in a SC and save yourself a lot of grief.

Glenn :burnout:
 
Glenn said:
I repeat - no 4.6 NA MM is going to break into the 12's and still be a streetable car - it just is not going to happen - period. NO one has done it in 5 years - some close, but no cigar. Put your money in a SC and save yourself a lot of grief.

Glenn :burnout:
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Well negativity won't stop me! Hopefullly it won't stop the others. Check out the new movie that stars Jim Carey! Its called YES MAN.
 
Glenn said:
I repeat - no 4.6 NA MM is going to break into the 12's and still be a streetable car - it just is not going to happen - period. NO one has done it in 5 years - some close, but no cigar. Put your money in a SC and save yourself a lot of grief.

Glenn :burnout:
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I dont know, Cruztaker got a 13.2 with 4.10s, a 3k stall converter and no throttle body. If what people are saying is correct, 4.56s and a 32-3500 stall converter might have done the trick. There are several other things he could have done, too, like port the upper and lower intake, cams, etc. It's defineitly possible. As far as being a streetable car, well, we'll have to wait and see.
 
Glenn said:
I repeat - no 4.6 NA MM is going to break into the 12's and still be a streetable car - it just is not going to happen - period. NO one has done it in 5 years - some close, but no cigar. Put your money in a SC and save yourself a lot of grief.

Glenn :burnout:
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Glenn you're usually a pretty smart guy... That is totally un-true statement.

I'll tell ya a very easy setup to do and you'd see 12's all day in an MM.

Basic weight reduction... (spare tire/jack, all the crap you have in the trunk)
4.56's, Ported FR500 heads with either FR500 or comp cams. FR500 intake or sheetmetal style. OR factory heads that have been slightly milled to up the comp. A good exhaust system. Pulley's, ect... all the basic stuff everyone has here in their signatures. LOL A 3000 stall converter with good tires but not oversized and good track prep... Some 275 Mickey Drag Radials or Nitto 305's would be perfect.

I've rode in a Cobra with a stock shortblock and all the FR500 goodies. SOB made 374rwhp and idled at 750rpms smoothly.

There has only been like 2 people on this forum who have even REALLY spent the proper coin and parts building a good N/A car. Everyone else takes the easy way out and throws boost at it. Face it. Its just easier to do that.

But to say that its not possible is BS. I know for a fact an N/A stock shortblocked MM could hit 12's no problem.

No one in 5 years has done it because lets face it. Other than 3-4 people that have hardcore MM's everyone else does the "easy stuff" that takes 10 minutes in the driveway to do and thinks thats "modded". Most people bought these cars for cruisers that can go fast, not for a 1/4 mile purpose and don't mod them for that.
 
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always wondered why there arent many fast N/A MM's. you see some crown vic's w/ built 2v's running faster than most blown 4V MM's. Most of the Mach 1 guys are N/A. With full bolt on's they range from 350-385 rwhp. i know we have added weight but the motor is still capable of more than most of us put thru it N/A. i say go for it and do something different.:beer:
 
I think way more than a couple of the members have tried it! You can do all the things you have suggested Vortech347. It comes down to the fact that you could SC for less money! I tried to get the GM in the low 13s and did not do the so called driveway tricks. A lot of thought and money was spent on the car with a plan. Most of us have tried using stock motors and you run into a brick wall. it makes very little sense to try when you can do a power adder and go much faster. If you need speed it is the most you can get for your money! AS far as removing weight you are not going to get much out of the car and keep it a daily driver. These are not Mustangs. Most of us on the board look at the SSHS rules and use those as a guideline. If you want a race car go build one, I am!
 
Glenn said:
NO one has done it in 5 years - some close, but no cigar.
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That's ^^^ the bottom line. Man of us have spend bucketloads of money to try and do it N/A. We tried for years and years to get faster and nobody with stock displacement ever did it. But we did get tired of running 13's. So c'mon guys, show us old timers how to do it. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Just for the record:

My (NON-stock displacement) 5.0 runs 12.9s with 3.55 gears.

I've run multiple 12s* in cool weather with 16" Drag radials giving me an effective rear ratio of 3.89. (*with No weight reductions)

If I had 4.10 gears and the 16" Drag Radials I would have been even deeper into the 12s.

I am running a less than perfect 93 octane tune and I am shifting at 6100 rpm.

In regards to the HP needed to run 12s in a Marauder: I am putting down 325 RWHP/340RWTQ.

That having been said....I think that a 4.6 prepped and modded the way Vortech347 outlined could crack the 12s.

Again, you are going to need some serious RPM and gears.
 
CRUZTAKER said:
Yes.
Stock motor with no forced induction.

Very cool evening, using a Lidio tune for 110 octane.
I had all the basic bolt-ons with 4:10 gears. I was using a 3000 stall and the j-mod on the trans. I was also running worn slick 295 Pirelli street tires.
With slicks, I believe I could have broke into the 12 second area that evening. She ran 13.2xx all evening hot lapping.
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Barry, Do you know what your 60 ft times were when you ran those 13.2s?
I'd like to compare them to my 60 ft times (run with 16" BFG Drag Radials) and see what the difference might have been...
 
Aren Jay said:
I suppose it depends what you call NA and what you call a mod.

You could make a hybrid Marauder that adds extra Low end push off the line. It would still be NA but a mighty expensive mod. Make it back in gas money in ten years, just in time to buy new batteries.

or

Make a lightweight tube or titanium or carbon fibre frame with a Bored out 4.2L V8, quick release wiring and a ton of mods, then unbolt your frame and bolt on the race frame. But then you are not really a Marauder anymore.

I say just forget about 12's given that 12.99 isn't really a 12 second run, 12.0 12.1 12.2 is 12.5 12.6 is a 12 and a half second run and 12.99 is a fast 13 second run.
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Just STFU, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. If I run a 13.99, thats considered a 13 second run according to everyone including the track officials and Ill need a helmet. A tenth when it comes to the 1/4 mile is a huge difference. a 12.99 is still a benchmark for any N/A marauder. Thats still considered a 12 second run by everyone.


My goal is a stock internal N/A Marauder to break into the 12's. Cruztaker is the guy to beat at the moment for stock internals but a pipe dream would be to beat Joe's worked N/A car.
 
Oh, I did run a 12.7 N/A, but that was with the 5.3 big bore/stroker after I pulled the ProCharger off. It had 360rwhp at the time.
 
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