Health Care, Obama.....

Bush & Obama

I find it so funny that we have had a President for 8 Years Bush that :censor: up the economy throughout his whole term, but the next President Obama is being put down for trying to fix things yeah he compared 9/11 and the oil spill but it wasnt to compare it to the death toll of 9/11, but to compare how long it took us to recover from it. Bush always gave Millions and Millions to other countries, but no one remembers that, his own administration collected Millions from oil companies. Maybe if he was on his job maybe there would have been a plan the oil spill, 4.00 gas is something I dont miss. Lets give the man a chance, 8 years of mistakes and misery cant be fixed in one year.

AND NO THIS ISNT TO START ANYTHING SO PLEASE DONT GO THERE!!!
 
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I will just say this, what no one seems to remember is that CLinton imposed regulation on the oil companies that included drilling restrictions as well as mandating safety valves, and back up valves. Those restrictions were lifted in 2001 by an administration that was very oil friendly. Now we have a mess, and everyone is blaming President Obama. Follow that by the cap being put on oil companies of $75 million in responsibility for any spill, it makes fiscal sense for the companies to take safety risks. This mess is not a politicians fault, it is BP's fault. President Obama has reacted as poorly as President Bush did with Katrina which leaves us to one conclusion, all Politicians suck. Republicans are bought and paid for by oil and banks, Democrats are bought and paid for by unions and the AFLCIO, which means they are all corrupt. Until there is campaign finance reform to keep the lobbyiusts out (The Christian right, the banking lobby, the AFL, and the NRA to name a few) you will never be able to fix government.
The Republican answer to everything-Cut Taxes
The Democratic answer to everything-Spend money

They both suck, bring back Franklin Roosevelt, clone him and lets get it back on track
 
PonyUP said:
I will just say this, what no one seems to remember is that CLinton imposed regulation on the oil companies that included drilling restrictions as well as mandating safety valves, and back up valves. Those restrictions were lifted in 2001 by an administration that was very oil friendly. Now we have a mess, and everyone is blaming President Obama. Follow that by the cap being put on oil companies of $75 million in responsibility for any spill, it makes fiscal sense for the companies to take safety risks. This mess is not a politicians fault, it is BP's fault. President Obama has reacted as poorly as President Bush did with Katrina which leaves us to one conclusion, all Politicians suck. Republicans are bought and paid for by oil and banks, Democrats are bought and paid for by unions and the AFLCIO, which means they are all corrupt. Until there is campaign finance reform to keep the lobbyiusts out (The Christian right, the banking lobby, the AFL, and the NRA to name a few) you will never be able to fix government.
The Republican answer to everything-Cut Taxes
The Democratic answer to everything-Spend money

They both suck, bring back Franklin Roosevelt, clone him and lets get it back on track
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BP was one of the major contributors to the Obama campaign.

FDR one of the worst Presidents in US history.
 
Congress is at it again. Pelosi is holding up the House voting on the Senate's passing of a temporary reprieve for the 21% reimbursement cuts for Medicare. So more and more healthcare providers will drop Medicare patients because they can't rely on the Government to effectively run their current gov't health care plan. And they expect us to believe they can effectively run healthcare for all of us?

We taxpayers are still paying for part of the costs of O's campaign to convince us that we like it, too.
 
FordNut said:
Congress is at it again. Pelosi is holding up the House voting on the Senate's passing of a temporary reprieve for the 21% reimbursement cuts for Medicare. So more and more healthcare providers will drop Medicare patients because they can't rely on the Government to effectively run their current gov't health care plan. And they expect us to believe they can effectively run healthcare for all of us?

We taxpayers are still paying for part of the costs of O's campaign to convince us that we like it, too.
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He'll be a one term wonder.
 
I guess we'll get to see how much damage can be done in one term...

They finally passed the medicare reimbursement bill, but since we have a new healthcare reform program why is congress having to continue to fix it? They could have actually fixed this and a few other healthcare problems instead of creating a huge, expensive government takeover that the majority of Americans still don't like.
 
PonyUP said:
The Republican answer to everything-Cut Taxes

The Democratic answer to everything-Spend money

They both suck, bring back Franklin Roosevelt, clone him and lets get it back on track
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Really?
Cutting taxes is a BAD thing?
We need more taxes?
Please explain.

I agree with you on your assessment of the Democrat's answer.
 
I fixed it for you.


Originally Posted by PonyUP
The Republican answer to everything-Cut Taxes for the rich and spend money

The Democratic answer to everything-Spend money
 
Congress is at it again... They "fixed" healthcare while ignoring the Medicare problems and leaving that to be worked out later. Now they're "fixing" the finance and banking problems without addressing the biggest part of the problem: Fannie and Freddie.
 
Joe Walsh said:
Really?
Cutting taxes is a BAD thing?
We need more taxes?
Please explain.

I agree with you on your assessment of the Democrat's answer.
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I wouldn't say cutting taxes is a bad thing, but cutting it on the top 1 % of the country, and then a little more to the top 15% hoping it trickles down is a terrible economic plan, but poloticians ahve to run on this because it's what people want to hear.

The truth is with the outrageous spending over the last 10 years by both Bush and Obama, it has to be paid off some how. If you increase the money going out on a war we can't win, bail outs of greedy coporate scumbags, and all the other crap, we have to increase the money coming in, whihc is taxes. Or I propose another option....

Let's start selling states we don't need, Montana is Huge and like 500 people live there, let's package it in a deal to Canada with North Dakota and Wyoming, or we can put em up on Ebay

California has already started their own country by creating their own laws, so let's sell it to Hollywood and see how they fair

And lastly, do we need a New Mexico, Old Mexico has Cancun, Acapulco and Spring break, I'd rather go their, so let's put it up on Craigs List ans see what we can get for it.

(If I offended any of the MM members in the above listed states, I apologize, just trying to lighten the mood in the polotics thread. People sure do get passionate about polotics. Reps, think they right, Dems think they right and the problem is they both suck. Fonzie for President ):beer:
 
In addition, when I say it's a war we can't win, it is certainly nothing against the brave souls that defend our country and our rights to spout off, it' more a dig of when you fight a war with rules of civility, I don't believe you can win it against an enemy that refuses to loose and doesn't play by the same rules
 
PonyUP said:
I wouldn't say cutting taxes is a bad thing, but cutting it on the top 1 % of the country, and then a little more to the top 15% hoping it trickles down is a terrible economic plan, but poloticians ahve to run on this because it's what people want to hear.
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Personally, I get hacked off when I pay a bunch of income tax and other people get more back than they paid in. So in effect the income tax I pay in just gets handed off to somebody else.
 
PonyUP said:
I wouldn't say cutting taxes is a bad thing, but cutting it on the top 1 % of the country, and then a little more to the top 15% hoping it trickles down is a terrible economic plan.
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The top 1% of taxpayers pay over 40% of the tax burden(while only earning 22% of the nations income). The bottom 50, yes FIFTY % pays less than 3% of total taxes.


How much of everyone else's share do you think they should pay?


http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
 
I'd say as soon as salaries match the profession's value to society, where lawyers, singers and athletes are making $25K a year and soldiers, teachers and public safety workers are making six figures, THEN we can talk about equitable taxes.

Deal?

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Phrog_gunner said:
The top 1% of taxpayers pay over 40% of the tax burden(while only earning 22% of the nations income). The bottom 50, yes FIFTY % pays less than 3% of total taxes.


How much of everyone else's share do you think they should pay?


http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
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duhtroll said:
I'd say as soon as salaries match the profession's value to society, where lawyers, singers and athletes are making $25K a year and soldiers, teachers and public safety workers are making six figures, THEN we can talk about equitable taxes.

Deal?

:D
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WHO's opinion will we go by as to what jobs add value to society?

I'm no mathologist, but that's the whole point of "percentage", people who make less, pay less, but everyone pays the same ratio according to their wage.

I'd say teachers should get paid like salesmen, based on results. And with the education system in most places, that would definitely make the costs go down because today's kids have shite for education (good luck trying to find a post even on this site where there/their/they're, since/sense, here/hear, etc isn't butchered). Except for the ones who go to private schools, and guess what, those teachers produce results, and get paid a decent wage.
 
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Well let's look at it like this.

the average worker at minimum wage (I think it's 5.45) makes $11336 a year, only he can't live on that, so he works nights and weekends as a security guard making $15/hr 20 hrs a week for a total of $26936 and a tax liability of 15% making his take home $22895.56

Then there's the school teacher with an national average salary of 50586 a year which puts them in the 25% bracket given them a take home of $37,939.5

then there's the Doctor, making $120K a year with a tax liability of 28% making their take home $86400

And finally there is the uber wealthy, the CEO making 1.2 million a year with a $15 million dollar bonus that works on a different tax table because it is incentive based, but lets say he makes $16 million a year, which is in the 39% bracket (that includes the 1 percent hike Obama put in that people were against)
The CEOs take home is $9.6 Million

most tax plans cut the 28% and the 39%, no one ever cuts the 25% or the 15%.

And the worst thing is, that CEO that gets the tax break, the money he saves does not trickle down to the dock worker, or Wal-Mart worker, or whoever the minimum wage person is.

It might effect the Doctor, if they are lucky.

Ofcourse then theres the people that are on welfare that actually make more money than the dock worker because they squeezed out another kid so their benefits went up.

You cannot fix any of this until you ahve hardcore campaign finance reform, hardcore wel-fare reform, and get the lobbyists out of an influential position in Washington. This will never happen because too many poloticians, republican and democrat alike are getting kickbacks from the lobbysists. They don't vote the conscience of the people they represent, but rathher the conscience of the company that gave them their latest check.

Raising taxes alone won't fix the defecit, we have to cut the outrageous spending, bring our troops back home, and quite worrying about the welfare of other countries and start worrying about our own.
 
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