Health Care, Obama.....

I feel that saying people should just go out and get a better job if they don't like how much they make, can be a pretty narrow point of view (Especially for our Construction Worker friends that have been laid off and uncertain of their jobs coming back). It's not like bewitched where a person can twitch their nose and be a Doctor. To be a Doctor you need to go to a good college which is pretty expensive, then you have to go to Medical school, also pretty expensive, then you have to do internships as part of that. If you don't have the money to go through these programs, your not making it.
If you wanted to be a Major League Baseball player to make the big bucks, but you can't catch? Your not gonna make it.
Just speaking for myself here, but I think teachers CAN carry a big influence on our kids. The cost of living is such that to provide nice things for our familes, many times both parents need to work, which often leaves children in the hands of teachers, neighbors, teenage babysitters and more. Kids learn behaviors from those around them. I had a teacher in 8th grade that was very involved, helped with my studies, helped with problems, and helped with my overall attitude. As I think of it, there were a few teachers that had a large influence, as did my parents and family. As such I am highschool graduate that became Regional Vice President for my company. I accredit that to Family, Friends, Teachers, and myself.
The teaching profession is like every profession, there are good ones, and there are bad ones. There are some teachers overpaid for what they do, and some grossly underpaid.
Where this all started was taxes, and I still feel the bottom line is, until we control the outrageous governement spending we can't give any kind of meaniful tax relief.

Even as a Democrat, I will applaud Bush for sticking with his tax relief plan, even in the face of fighting two wars and it was great to see an extra few hundred bucks. And I am perfectly fine with Obama raising taxes on that top bracket to 39%, I will not let me heart bleed for the multi millionaires that trashed Wall street in the first place, because they gotta pay a little more. The problem is we are in such a fix, I fear they are just going to raise taxes across the board to pay for all this crap
(2) Wars
Bank Bailout
Car Bailout
Haiti Relief
Loans to Greece, the Palestinians and God knows who else

It's almost like they got the white house and now it's an episode of MTV cribs spending money on crap we don't need.
 
PonyUP said:
Suggest you read other threads then, a spirited debate about our countries future is never a bad thing. Those with ideas that refuse to speak are left in the cold, those who speak their mind develop the future
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Right on!

Bring on the thinkers, down with the complaining crew!

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duhtroll said:
"Go out and get a better job" only works if the access is there. It seems to me that what you're saying is "I've got mine, sucks to be you."
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I have very little. But what I do have, I EARNED and I don't cry and complain that other people with a better education, better job skills,or that work harder than I do EARN more money than I do. I also am not such a weakling that I feel that since I am unable to move up in the world myself, that I will instead proclaim that it is only right bring other people down.

If I did have mine, isn't it my right to say sucks to be you? If it is all about personal responsibility, then what YOU have is YOUR responsibility, and therefore what you don't have is also YOUR responsibility.
 
First of all, where did I complain that others make more than me?

If education equaled money in this country, you might have a point. But it doesn't. Some of the most educated people in the world are happy working in labs for little cash. Some of us don't think money equals happiness OR success.

Personally, I am very happy where I am and I am willing to bet I make less than most with my level of education. In fact, I know I do. I also know I work harder than many people who make two to three times what I make. Does it matter to me? Only when I hear people with lots more money whining about how unfair the system is to them.

I get tired of people whining about taxes, especially here. Living in this country has rules and people have the option of not living here. But it seems there are some who just want to complain to whomever will listen.

Side note: I am sure there are dozens if not hundreds of "I hate taxes" and "f*** liberals" websites out there for people to join. But instead they whine here.

Really? Do they think they are convincing anyone here?

Actually, if any of those qualities you listed equaled more money, you might be right, but they don't necessarily. Too many high paying jobs are given away to the boss's son in law. Ever hear the old adage "it isn't what you know but who you know?"

Then there's the whole entertainment "industry." Do you think Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan, or even someone like LeBron James are more educated, work harder, or have better job skills than anyone here? Or do you really think a lack of professional basketball would cause our system to crumble?

What about people who quit their jobs to be reality TV stars? Deserving? And I don't mean "deserving" in the sense that they are able to con people into paying to watch them. I mean really deserving by their value to our society.

The list is practically endless.

I mean, if you are going to say that people who con others out of their money deserve to have it, then we can stop the discussion here. I can lie and cheat and steal my way to more money, too. Would that mean I deserved it?

I'm not going to lose any sleep at night over people making upwards of half a million dollars a year just because they have to give up over half that to taxes. In their whining they seen to lose track of the fact that after taxes they still have a quarter million $ a year.

I think you should take your views downtown and tell the guy running the gas station and also has another job on the side that it is his fault he can't make ends meet. Tell him to work harder or get a better education or get some better job skills while trying to feed his family. See how that works out for you.

You have the right to say anything you like in this country. If fact, I think you should say them more often in public places (not counting car boards) and see the reaction you get. :)

Phrog_gunner said:
I have very little. But what I do have, I EARNED and I don't cry and complain that other people with a better education, better job skills,or that work harder than I do EARN more money than I do. I also am not such a weakling that I feel that since I am unable to move up in the world myself, that I will instead proclaim that it is only right bring other people down.

If I did have mine, isn't it my right to say sucks to be you? If it is all about personal responsibility, then what YOU have is YOUR responsibility, and therefore what you don't have is also YOUR responsibility.
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duhtroll said:
I'm not going to lose any sleep at night over people making upwards of half a million dollars a year just because they have to give up over half that to taxes. In their whining they seen to lose track of the fact that after taxes they still have a quarter million $ a year.
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It is wrong to take half of what someone has and give it to someone else. That should bother everyone. Where will it stop? I mean, assuming you have two lungs, two kidneys, two eyeballs, and someone else doesn't, why not have half of them taken away from you? You shouldn't miss them, you still have half.
 
CBT said:
It is wrong to take half of what someone has and give it to someone else. That should bother everyone. Where will it stop? I mean, assuming you have two lungs, two kidneys, two eyeballs, and someone else doesn't, why not have half of them taken away from you? You shouldn't miss them, you still have half.
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Case you have to understand that it depends on what they think you DESERVE. I mean you didn't "work hard" to grow two arms and two legs, so therefore they should be taken from you and given to someone else. It's just like he said with an inheritance, I mean arms and legs were just given to you by your parents, so you don't deserve them.
 
Personally I have no problem paying taxes, I have a problem paying 40% in taxes. If it actually went to road repairs, bridge repairs, and things that make sense, that would be fine. But they go to war machines, bank lobby's and campaign war chests. I have no problem paying my fair share, the question is, why do i have to pay the gas attendants share as well. If I'm gonna be taxed 40%, why isn't he?

Because the system wouldn't work. Taxes need to be lowered for all, not raised on anyone. Quit the outrageous governemnt spending, and give my money back, I'd like to buy a slurpy
 
PonyUP said:
Personally I have no problem paying taxes, I have a problem paying 40% in taxes. If it actually went to road repairs, bridge repairs, and things that make sense, that would be fine. But they go to war machines, bank lobby's and campaign war chests. I have no problem paying my fair share, the question is, why do i have to pay the gas attendants share as well. If I'm gonna be taxed 40%, why isn't he?

Because the system wouldn't work. Taxes need to be lowered for all, not raised on anyone. Quit the outrageous governemnt spending, and give my money back, I'd like to buy a slurpy
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My favorite is the "retarded checks" kids get for playing stupid on tests in school so mommy and daddy get that money on top of food stamps and 'regular' welfare checks.
 
PonyUP said:
Can I get sum that welfare? I still want my slurpy
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Here's a tip that will save you some $$ on a slurpee: 7-11 inventories by the cup, not what's in the cup. So take a Super Big Gulp cup and put your slurpee in it (one of the slurpee lids will even fit it). It has been a while, but the last time I checked, this would save you about a buck vs. the equivalent size slurpee.
 
CBT said:
It is wrong to take half of what someone has and give it to someone else. That should bother everyone. Where will it stop? I mean, assuming you have two lungs, two kidneys, two eyeballs, and someone else doesn't, why not have half of them taken away from you? You shouldn't miss them, you still have half.
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When the most priveleged in perhaps the most priveleged country in the world is complaining...

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kernie said:
It's quite obvious what i'm saying, how can the most priveledged {better?} of the worlds citizens find so much to complain about?
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I'm no rocket surgeon, but I'm quite sure its privileged.

How can they? Because it is THEIR money, and THEIR right to keep it. It has to do with having the minimals to stick up for yourself, which is one reason this country became the greatest on earth.
 
Phrog_gunner said:
I'm no rocket surgeon, but I'm quite sure its privileged.

How can they? Because it is THEIR money, and THEIR right to keep it. It has to do with having the minimals to stick up for yourself, which is one reason this country became the greatest on earth.
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You are one funny little frog.
 
duhtroll said:
I'm not going to lose any sleep at night over people making upwards of half a million dollars a year just because they have to give up over half that to taxes. In their whining they seen to lose track of the fact that after taxes they still have a quarter million $ a year.
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WOW! Truly amazing thought.
So if someone works hard and is successful, they should be happy to lose half of their income to taxes?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the inheritance taxes.
When you pass away the government has the right to take 55% of what you've already paid taxes on just because you died?
Oh....that's right! It only applies to those RICH people who worked hard for their entire life and managed to save a nice chunk of money in their retirement portfolio. Their surviving family members should be happy that they are getting 45%....It's still a lot of money...right?

I'll stay in America, you should move to a Communist country.
 
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Joe Walsh said:
WOW! Truly amazing thought.
So if someone works hard and is successful, they should be happy to lose half of their income to taxes?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the inheritance taxes.
When you pass away the government has the right to take 55% of what you've already paid taxes on just because you died?
Oh....that's right! It only applies to those RICH people who worked hard for their entire life and managed to save a nice chunk of money in their retirement portfolio.

I'll stay in America, you should move to a Communist country.
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Really, wow, glad we don't have that here, now that's a hidden tax!
 
Year... Exclusion Amount.... Max/Top tax rate
2001........ $675,000........ 55%
2002........ $1 million........ 50%
2003........ $1 million........ 49%
2004........ $1.5 million..... 48%
2005........ $1.5 million .... 47%
2006........ $2 million........ 46%
2007........ $2 million ....... 45%
2008........ $2 million...... . 45%
2009........ $3.5 million ..... 45%
2010....... * Repealed .... * 0% *
2011........ $1 million ....... 55%

If you've invested wisely in your retirement fund....you better die this year!

All those politicians are licking their chops in anticipation of next year's windfall tax bonanza from everyone who dies "Rich".
 
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