CT Shooting

[jerrym3]

We disagree, if life did not go on and we stuck our head in the dirt, then we would have not done a thing.

We disagree with what?

Let me repeat.

What I did not say is that life should stop.

What I said if that if "life goes on" is our only goal, then you have simply turned the other cheek and are doomed to repeat history.

After 9/11, life went on, but, as a country, we did things to try and stop the next potential attack.

As an example, as a frequent business flier, it was one PITA. One of my first post 9/11 flights was to Washington, DC, from Newark.

I don't know if the policy has been lifted, but, due to the shortness of the flight, we could not leave our seats for any reason....any reason.

There were soldiers patrolling the terminals with slung weapons. (The last time I saw that was in the 70's in Saudi Arabia.) Soldiers and military vehicles were all around the White House perimeter.

Bottom line, changes were put into effect almost immediately, yet life went on, as it should.

 

[sailsmen]

Like many over 40 when I grew up we all had guns or access to guns. On a Friday afternoon a walk through the parking lot would tell you who was headed to the swamp to go hunting for the weekend because you saw the guns in the gun racks mounted in the cars.
At age 10 I brought a shotgun to school for a history class presentation. There was nothing unusual about it.
A fight was with your fists. Real men fought with their fists. When I was in HS shooting someone with a gun over a "dispute" was unheard of.

The guns are the same, it is the people that have changed.

Change the guns all you want it ain't going to change the people.

 

[Bluerauder]

The guns are the same, it is the people that have changed.

+1. So true. Seems like everything escalates from 0 to Killing in under 10 seconds.

 

[Mebot]

With all this back and forth, I fear nothing major will be accomplished, and that just adds to the tragedy.

Unfortunately, these poor kids/teachers will be buried, the story will go off the 24/7 newscycle, we'll be celebrating the holidays, and then we'll watch the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl.

In between there will be a few snowstorms/blizzards, and then we'll be looking forward to nicer weather, baseball season, cleaning and driving our cars more, and old car shows.

Then, the cycle will repeat itself.

this is correct. I went to Virginia Tech. ask me how I know.

Sent from my handheld Zack Morris iShoe 4S.

 

[IwantmyMMnow!]

The guns are the same, it is the people that have changed.

Change the guns all you want it ain't going to change the people.

+1. So true. Seems like everything escalates from 0 to Killing in under 10 seconds.

I've been in several lengthy discussions with a friend of mine over the past several days. He's been a great friend for me; we've been friends since the 7th grade. Helped me get through a lot of *****. He's also anti-gun. We've managed to be able to discuss our views without causing any strain on our friendship.

I ended one of our discussions yesterday with the following:

"Guns are merely a symptom; the disease (people) goes merrily on."

For those of you MASH fans, yeah I stole a line and changed some words...

Went out to do some Christmas shopping today and had 2 people comment on my flyer in the back window. Just talked about how afwul it must be for the parents of those kids as well as those acquainted with the adults that lost their lives.

 

[kernie]

Different views are always a good thing, since nobody wants to hear mine and the 50ish% of Americans who want tougher gun laws either are not here or dare not speak up...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/f-rfa-macdonald-guns.html

:beer:

 

[rayjay]

Different views are always a good thing, since nobody wants to hear mine and the 50ish% of Americans who want tougher gun laws either are not here or dare not speak up...http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/f-rfa-macdonald-guns.html

:beer:

Uhm, your reporter is misinformed. The rifle used does not even fit the correct definition of an "assault rifle". My guess is he doesn't know what AR stands for. Nor do most people. I quit reading there. Ok, I read more, 5 shots a second from a G23? More misinformation, period. 5 shots a second from a G23? I carried a G22 on duty, its big brother. I defy anyone to get off 5 shots in a second... Dribble.

The media will beat this to death to wring every ounce of camera time out of it. They should all sustain a sever beating for not leaving these people alone. Why on earth was a Syracuse tv news crew sent there? Then bother some poor guy who was grieveing. :mad2: I have stopped watching the news. Its far to sensationalized and skewed to the point they are out right lieing about who stopped the shooter in Oregon last week.

I will not go quietly into the night and become a subject instead of a citizen.

 

[stevengerard]

Different views are always a good thing, since nobody wants to hear mine and the 50ish% of Americans who want tougher gun laws either are not here or dare not speak up...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/f-rfa-macdonald-guns.html

:beer:

good article, that is why I wrote

"to me it is the ability of a gun to make it easy to kill that matters"

You don't think that a second after that Chief's player killed his girlfriend he didn't instantly regret it? Then he took his own life - at least it was limited to two people but none the less a tragedy, a young girl dead, a baby without parents.

"If you're wondering who else in the United States might fit a "profile" of becoming a mass killer, just look around: They are everywhere, and they're most likely harmless. FULL STORY http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/health/ct-shooting-mental-illness/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 "

 

[Spectragod]

Different views are always a good thing, since nobody wants to hear mine and the 50ish% of Americans who want tougher gun laws either are not here or dare not speak up...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/f-rfa-macdonald-guns.html

:beer:

You have no dog in the hunt, your not a US citizen, you have no input on our laws in our country, kinda like we have no input on what happens in Canada.

 

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Talked to my Mom a little earlier. My sister is a teacher's assistant for special needs kids at a school in Charlotte. Today, an 8th grader brought a gun to school...:shake:

Just sharing info...

 

[rayjay]

Talked to my Mom a little earlier. My sister is a teacher's assistant for special needs kids at a school in Charlotte. Today, an 8th grader brought a gun to school...:shake:

Just sharing info...

Then the owner should have his azz locked up. It happens a lot more than you may think. People absolutely need to be responsible with their firearms and their storage. How you legislate that is beyond me. When you find the cure for stupid you will be a multi billionaire.

 

[MrBluGruv]

Different views are always a good thing, since nobody wants to hear mine and the 50ish% of Americans who want tougher gun laws either are not here or dare not speak up...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/f-rfa-macdonald-guns.html

:beer:

That writer seriously rubs me the wrong way, not specifically for his anti-gun stance, but more because of his logic train in his arguments.

This in particular bothers me:

"In other words, you pack the means to kill more than a dozen people in moments if you choose, and we just have to trust you to be sensible and hold your temper."

Frankly, I think that the sky is the limit with that logic. You are entrusted with MANY things in a functioning society that could be dangerous, that trust is how it has to work or it would be anarchy (or probably a huge leap back if some of these things were taken away as the alternative.)

Where does this guy live that apparently everyone walks around clearly displaying a piece? I live in Texas for goodness sake and even here it's not very common to outright see.

He's not even holding a consistent line in his argument; he speaks to the evils of anyone owning pretty much any weapon, but then fondly remembers the good ol' days of daddy using his weapon ol' yeller style.

Plus I find it slightly absurd that he criticizes sensationalist media and then employs the writing style that he does.


I can get behind finding the flaws in the current method for obtaining firearms and patching them for a safer society in general, but I don't think I can agree that there should be a general firearm ban. I like to think that I'm fairly objective about things, and I really haven't heard a compelling argument in favor of it.

 

[PonyUP]

You have no dog in the hunt, your not a US citizen, you have no input on our laws in our country, kinda like we have no input on what happens in Canada.

But he is a member of this board, if we are truly to be an open minded society, we have to accept the opinions of those we don't agree with. Whether he is an American or not, he can have an opinion, we shouldn't shut him down because he's a neighbor to the North


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[MrBluGruv]

When you find the cure for stupid you will be a multi billionaire.

I don't believe that for a second; no one would buy it on account of the fact that they would rather live in blissful ignorance than deal with the tough times in life. :lol:

 

[MrBluGruv]

But he is a member of this board, if we are truly to be an open minded society, we have to accept the opinions of those we don't agree with. Whether he is an American or not, he can have an opinion, we shouldn't shut him down because he's a neighbor to the North


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+1 from me.

He isn't casting his vote in our election on the matter, he's sharing his thoughts. I don't think there is anything unreasonable or out-of-line with that.

 

[PonyUP]

That writer seriously rubs me the wrong way, not specifically for his anti-gun stance, but more because of his logic train in his arguments.

This in particular bothers me:

"In other words, you pack the means to kill more than a dozen people in moments if you choose, and we just have to trust you to be sensible and hold your temper."

Frankly, I think that the sky is the limit with that logic. You are entrusted with MANY things in a functioning society that could be dangerous, that trust is how it has to work or it would be anarchy (or probably a huge leap back if some of these things were taken away as the alternative.)

Where does this guy live that apparently everyone walks around clearly displaying a piece? I live in Texas for goodness sake and even here it's not very common to outright see.

He's not even holding a consistent line in his argument; he speaks to the evils of anyone owning pretty much any weapon, but then fondly remembers the good ol' days of daddy using his weapon ol' yeller style.

Plus I find it slightly absurd that he criticizes sensationalist media and then employs the writing style that he does.


I can get behind finding the flaws in the current method for obtaining firearms and patching them for a safer society in general, but I don't think I can agree that there should be a general firearm ban. I like to think that I'm fairly objective about things, and I really haven't heard a compelling argument in favor of it.

However at some point we have to draw a line. Yes you can kill a boatload of people with a car, or a knife, or other things.

But there needs to be restrictions, you tell me, in what world is it a good idea to be allowed to carry in a bar, drink 5 shots of Jack?

In Nashville this is legal. Have you seen how quick a bar argument can escalate?

I want people to own guns, I'd just like to look a little harder at who's buying them and who is living with those individuals


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[Spectragod]

But he is a member of this board, if we are truly to be an open minded society, we have to accept the opinions of those we don't agree with. Whether he is an American or not, he can have an opinion, we shouldn't shut him down because he's a neighbor to the North


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Yep, he sure is, the only problem is when Kernie posts, he posts to stir the *****, not really for anything beneficial.....

 

[MrBluGruv]

However at some point we have to draw a line. Yes you can kill a boatload of people with a car, or a knife, or other things.

But there needs to be restrictions, you tell me, in what world is it a good idea to be allowed to carry in a bar, drink 5 shots of Jack?

In Nashville this is legal. Have you seen how quick a bar argument can escalate?

I want people to own guns, I'd just like to look a little harder at who's buying them and who is living with those individuals


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That's reasonable. I think to be carrying while intoxicated could be treated a lot like driving while intoxicated. I know that hasn't worked wonders for reducing DUI numbers, not particularly at least, but even that can come from a myriad of other factors as well. :depress:

The worst part is having to think of all these contingencies in order to write effective legislation. Is it seriously that hard for people to be responsible in their actions?

 

[PonyUP]

That's reasonable. I think to be carrying while intoxicated could be treated a lot like driving while intoxicated. I know that hasn't worked wonders for reducing DUI numbers, not particularly at least, but even that can come from a myriad of other factors as well. :depress:

The worst part is having to think of all these contingencies in order to write effective legislation. Is it seriously that hard for people to be responsible in their actions?

Unfortunately, today, I believe not many are willing to accept responsibility for anything. I call it the McDonalds effect. Remember the woman that sued McD's cause she burned herself on hot coffee and won?

That is a metaphor for society today


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[rayjay]

The worst part is having to think of all these contingencies in order to write effective legislation. Is it seriously that hard for people to be responsible in their actions?

You can't, and without going Stalinist you will never disarm this country. Nor do I want to live here if they manage to. Does anyone realize one of the reasons we have never been attacked militarily is because the aggressor would have to fight not just our GIs, but millions of citizens. I saw something recently that the licensed hunters in three midwestern states alone made up the 4th largest army by numbers. I didn't say gun owners, I said licensed hunters. Anyone who actually believes the government will outlaw firearms is delusional.

Kernie, we'll send them next door.