Open Letter to Admin.

[O's Fan Rich]

You mean this post?
http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545

What is untrue about it? Im listening

yeah, that post.
My point is that posting that there was meant to stir it up, nothing more.
If that's what is decided by the Admin there, that's what they decide. Isn't that what's being done here at MM.net?
As members we can decide to assist in getting things back to normal, or we can fuel the fire.
Unfortunately it's looking more and more like there are some who can fuel the fires on both and suffer no consequences, while others seem to get their hands smacked for the smallest perceived infraction.
As individual members we need to decide to say enough is enough. Untrue? I'm listening.

 

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have been mostly skipping over the drama posts and ignoring the supposed situation. Now it's my turn ro be dramatic!! I really don't see anything abnormal going on here. This is normal stuff, folks. Users are getting used to the new owners and new admins. Some will get mad and leave, some will stay, some will get banned. This goes on all over the web every day. It's not new to me. I will be here as long as mm.net exists in any form. This site is a group of friends willing to help and advise me on ANY subject I might ask about. I ENJOY this site BECAUSE of heavy moderation. Keep it up!! I am pretty sure we all agreed to Terms Of Service that said we have to "play nice or get kicked out" when we signed up for membership. That is NORMAL for ANY web site or internet provider that has anything of value to me.

We now have a committee in charge instead of a benevolent dictator. This should be interesting!

The reason why we have the site we have today is because Logan was a very good moderator, he did not allow someone to post nude pictures. He did not allow name calling, or bickering he encouraged technical posts and this site is full of them. Members here knew what Logon would do if they crossed the line, no one can deny this, yes there has been a lot of moderation in the last 30 days, its been up and down just like an Air Fuel graph with a car on the dyno, when you have this you go in and see what its going to take to smooth the trace out, all I am asking is give the owners a chance to do this. Yes, some of the moderation was needed because of the nature of the comments, have the members here forgot what happened last year when we had the Dark side, well I have not, go take a look at other sites that do not moderate, there is off topic comments about every thing, very few technical posts. Personal attacks. This is the best most informative site on the net, and it will get better.

 

[DEFYANT]

Another "heads up" thread to the Admin. Good luck Javier. Your sentiments echo mine in these threads:

Owed Nothing

So long Logan, I'd like my fish back

But every time I tried to point out the obvious, it would fall on deaf ears. It is hard to truely be neutral when you've been on one side for so long, eh?

I do know one thing. Under Logan, if you took the tone with Dennis R. that was taken with Jerry, you'd get a vacation for sure.

Remember this:

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I believe I brought up this IAT topic well over a year ago and was given a vacation for it...

It is good to see that this site is now very reasonable and people can discuss the topic, acquire some knowledge, without getting a boot in the butt!

Of course I was also given a vacation when I asked what the spark advance was...


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Macs reaponse:
That was "then", Tim, this is now.

Please enjoy our new hospitality and refreshed tolerance, but with some new respect too?

Thanks, and IMHO, I hope to hear more from you as well.

Basically this says what was off limits before is now fair game. So have at it - and more.

Go back and read the tread, there was little "new respect", but no vacations handed out.

Point is, there has been a fundemental shift in power here at MM.Net. And it seems the dominant members of the new owners are free to do as they please to whomever they please.

That is just the way it is.

The result seems to be more and more members starting new memberships on other web sites. Some leaving for good. (see the Owed Nothing thread)

More and more members will end up hanging out over there, and coming here to research tech on the car. Eventally, you'll see more and more tech on the other site. Then there will be no need to come back here.

Eventual worst case is a web site with its moderators and thier sycophants.
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[DEFYANT]

This is a point I've been trying to make also!

I would like to ask those that continue to post on this thread for a personal favor, when you post: is your intent to improve, suggest improvement, make better, calm tensions??? What is in your heart?

If you read my opening statement and came away thinking I am trying to start a war...you simply don't know me. I advocate civility, reason and mutual respect.

I write here exactly as I speak to any of you in front of your face...whatever I write in any other forum can be imported here and recognized as being ME. If you want to help make things better here...stick around and HELP. If you hate this place: all I can say is, I don't go places that I hate.

PS: This is not about any other site, this is about MM.net and only MM.net.

+1

.........

 

[magindat]

I would like to ask those that continue to post on this thread for a personal favor, when you post: is your intent to improve, suggest improvement, make better, calm tensions??? What is in your heart?

Thanx Javier.
My intent in this post is to calm.
MM.net is becoming what it's becoming. For each of us, some of the changes will be positive, some negative, some indifferent.

Just like when we were kids, different playgrounds have different rules. You play by the rules or get kicked off the playground. Don't like the rules? Find a different playground. Don't stand at the fence of the playground you don't want to play on and shout at the other kids.

For me:
This sight is the public playground. It's the one where you have to accept all the kids that play here and bullies get kicked off.

There are other playgrounds on the net that are more like the neighbor's backyard skateboard ramp. Sure, you can be more raucus, but you have to be more ready to get your nose bloodied!

Those that know me know I'm a sarcastic, cynical joker with big opinions and plenty knowledge to back it up. Some get it. Some don't. At the end of the day, though, I try to address my FRIENDS in a way that is COMFORTABLE to them. Once in a while, I step over a line. Just shake hands, and keep goin.

In summary. This place is what it is. I like it for what it is and I like other places for what they are. There will always be playgrounds to play on, our new admins are just wrapping the metal poles with padding around here.

FWIW
Rich

 

[Zack]

Instead of being interested in my question to Jerry, you chose to take my tone as insulting toward him.
Like usual, y'all went into 'bodyguard mode' trying to help Jerry dodge the bullets.
The bullets were questions Im still waiting for an answer to, and eagerly await.
Remember, Im a customer now. Please dont portray me as a predator.
Im just trying to understand whats under MY hood now.

 

[MarauderTJA]

Not even close to true. One year ago, [just like today] FIT, Reinhart, and Trilogy had their own forums where questions could be asked and answered. Remember, it was Logan that gave FIT a voice and forum here. If what you say is true, that never would have happened.

Only after Greg became a vendor with F.I.T. did that occur.

 

[MarauderTJA]

Well that and extorting large sums of money

Totally untrue. The MV IV planning committee came to a group decision to give a portion of left over remaining proceeds to MM.NET to assist with keeping the website up and running. A check was presented at the farewell breakfast to Mary and Dennis.

 

[MarauderTJA]

Some people like the feeling of being able to express themselves and not having the fear of being banned. There is no BS as you state, just nice people getting along.

Also, most that you consider two-faced have had the same feelings and let it be known for a long, long time.

Expressing yourself is not a problem except when it comes to throwing personal insults and trashing another member(s). What purpose does it really serve on the site(s? All that happens is friends ban together and it gets worse.

And I agree, "certain two-faced individuals have let it be known for a long, long time."

 

[MarauderTJA]

Like usual, y'all went into 'bodyguard mode'

That has been a real problem with certain people. However, just a select few. Try to understand that from a Procharger position a year ago. Talk about the red-headed step child syndrome around here. You walk up to a fellow members house during an install with lots of members present and the garage goes silent. Talk about feeling not welcomed. I laughed it off. But in time we were accepted by most.

 

[bigslim]

The same people who have started a new website to get away from the nonsense they dont care for are the same ones who still log in here just as much as over there.
Make up your mind where you want to be and stick to it.

I am free to go where I please. I am a contributing member at a few sites. BTW, the site was not started for the reason you stated. It was started as a local club website. It has grown into the site it is today.

 

[bigslim]

You mean this post?
http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545

What is untrue about it? Im listening

This is his style. Throw a grenade in a room, close the door and walk away. Classic Zack.

 

[Zack]

This is his style. Throw a grenade in a room, close the door and walk away. Classic Zack.

Sure is!
Im not usually wrong in what I make obvious to the blind either.

 

[bigslim]

The reason why we have the site we have today is because Logan was a very good moderator, he did not allow someone to post nude pictures. He did not allow name calling, or bickering he encouraged technical posts and this site is full of them. Members here knew what Logon would do if they crossed the line, no one can deny this, yes there has been a lot of moderation in the last 30 days, its been up and down just like an Air Fuel graph with a car on the dyno, when you have this you go in and see what its going to take to smooth the trace out, all I am asking is give the owners a chance to do this. Yes, some of the moderation was needed because of the nature of the comments, have the members here forgot what happened last year when we had the Dark side, well I have not, go take a look at other sites that do not moderate, there is off topic comments about every thing, very few technical posts. Personal attacks. This is the best most informative site on the net, and it will get better.

First off there are no nude pictures on that other site.

Second, there is a more relaxed feeling at that other site.

Third since you brought him up, Logan would never had have a Vendor become an owner with buttons to push. I remember the Darkside and I remember a certain vendor calling it quits because his feelings were hurt. I remember that vendor being the only vendor being bashed then.

Fourth and final, the other site is not there to replace any other site. It is there for good people to hangout and have fun while adoring the same vehicle that brought us all together.

 

[bigslim]

Instead of being interested in my question to Jerry, you chose to take my tone as insulting toward him.
Like usual, y'all went into 'bodyguard mode' trying to help Jerry dodge the bullets.
The bullets were questions Im still waiting for an answer to, and eagerly await.
Remember, Im a customer now. Please dont portray me as a predator.
Im just trying to understand whats under MY hood now.

Oh, feel sorry for Zack. He meant no harm...........

 

[bigslim]

That has been a real problem with certain people. However, just a select few. Try to understand that from a Procharger position a year ago. Talk about the red-headed step child syndrome around here. You walk up to a fellow members house during an install with lots of members present and the garage goes silent. Talk about feeling not welcomed. I laughed it off. But in time we were accepted by most.

I don't think owning a different supercharger had anything to do with people going quite.

Some of us have been stating all along that the other products were good. I have said all along that I like JD's car. I consider JD a good friend. He has a different product so I guess there is no truth in that statement. If people get quite when you come around I don't think it is because of the type of blower you have.

 

[DefyantExWife]

Maybe this site would do better if it became a mandatory paid membership, everyone being co-owner, but then having board administrative election. Like... I think Mary would be the most favorable choice, board wide. I think everyone would be happy with that.

Take the forum price tag, whatever it was 4000 or 8000, divvy it up between the rounded up figure of members. New members coming in, their money would go into the site "Kitty" for future expenses or events.

With most members already being contributing members, there SHOULD be more forum issue voting going on. Most are paying into this site, they should have voices.. they should have say.

I think that would solve all the animosity and catty-ness we see here since Logan left.

 

[MERCMAN]

First let me say thank you again for keeping the lights on, MM.net is home for me and when I come from work I hang out with my friends and relax.

Lately there has been very little relaxing and I have noticed that deletions and closed threads are at an all time high, bad feelings are at an all time high, insults are at an all time high

Some of the posts in this thread are GREAT examples of why the deletions are up

 

[Tallboy]

I don't think owning a different supercharger had anything to do with people going quite.

Some of us have been stating all along that the other products were good. I have said all along that I like JD's car. I consider JD a good friend. He has a different product so I guess there is no truth in that statement. If people get quite when you come around I don't think it is because of the type of blower you have.

You're right, Darryl. It has to do with the character of the people involved, not the blower.

 

[Dennis Reinhart]

Slim I never said there were nude pictures on the other site, that is you, twisting my words, along with your personal attacks on me now what does this have to with Javier's post nothing, its just you trying to add more discontent. Just like your need to post back to back redundant posts. This is not constructive criticism its just criticism. I said nude pictures would not be allowed here because some one tried to post hem here, again this thread will spin off into a camp fire, because all you want to is argue and point fingers instead of thinking of ways we can improve the site. And some members have already, no matter what any one says to try and make things better, you will not hear it. I am done with this post, I have said what I needed to say, you will try and twist my words, I will tell you what I know for a fact, you can not win arguments on the Internet, I also have found you cannot reason with unreasonable people, and I am not saying you are. I am just speaking from my heart as to what I know and what I have learned.