Health Care, Obama.....

duhtroll said:
I'm not going to lose any sleep at night over people making upwards of half a million dollars a year just because they have to give up over half that to taxes. In their whining they seen to lose track of the fact that after taxes they still have a quarter million $ a year.
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CBT said:
It is wrong to take half of what someone has and give it to someone else. That should bother everyone. Where will it stop? .
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There's the point... There are plenty of people who have less than most of us. So why should we get to have two cars when some people don't even have one? Why is it that some of us have a house to live in and others are homeless? That's unfair...

Many in the middle class constantly deride the rich because they have so much, personally I appreciate the rich since they already carry a very high percentage of our tax burden. I'm surprised more of them don't move to another country to avoid unfair taxation. If that happened, who would be saddled with the tax burden?
 
Joe Walsh said:
Year... Exclusion Amount.... Max/Top tax rate
2001........ $675,000........ 55%
2002........ $1 million........ 50%
2003........ $1 million........ 49%
2004........ $1.5 million..... 48%
2005........ $1.5 million .... 47%
2006........ $2 million........ 46%
2007........ $2 million ....... 45%
2008........ $2 million...... . 45%
2009........ $3.5 million ..... 45%
2010....... * Repealed .... * 0% *
2011........ $1 million ....... 55%

If you've invested wisely in your retirement fund....you better die this year!

All those politicians are licking their chops in anticipation of next year's windfall tax bonanza from everyone who dies "Rich".
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Owning a small business will put you right in the middle of this $hit too.

Of course Resident Obama still says he hasn't raised taxes... Lol. I guess he doesn't feel that the return of grave robbing is a "tax increase".
 
Joe Walsh said:
Year... Exclusion Amount.... Max/Top tax rate
2001........ $675,000........ 55%
2002........ $1 million........ 50%
2003........ $1 million........ 49%
2004........ $1.5 million..... 48%
2005........ $1.5 million .... 47%
2006........ $2 million........ 46%
2007........ $2 million ....... 45%
2008........ $2 million...... . 45%
2009........ $3.5 million ..... 45%
2010....... * Repealed .... * 0% *
2011........ $1 million ....... 55%

If you've invested wisely in your retirement fund....you better die this year!

All those politicians are licking their chops in anticipation of next year's windfall tax bonanza from everyone who dies "Rich".
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If a lot of rich liberals (dems) die in 2011 that may have some impact on the 2012 election, eh?
 
Phrog_gunner said:
I'm glad that was grammatically correct. I was starting to think the Canadian education system was thought out about as well as their health care system.
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Health care, right, that is what this thread is about, how come you pay more than anyone but have such dismal results?
 
kernie said:
Health care, right, that is what this thread is about, how come you pay more than anyone but have such dismal results?
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Seems fine to me. Most of the people who deride the American health care system are in other places.
 
For the record, I am not "deriding" the rich - never have.

I say they whine a lot. Apparently making $30 million is not enough for some. They have to have $50 million. After all, THEY are entitled to it!

No human being works hard enough to earn $50 million unless on a quarterly basis they cure a major disease or stop a war or something similar.

FordNut said:
There's the point... There are plenty of people who have less than most of us. So why should we get to have two cars when some people don't even have one? Why is it that some of us have a house to live in and others are homeless? That's unfair...

Many in the middle class constantly deride the rich because they have so much, personally I appreciate the rich since they already carry a very high percentage of our tax burden. I'm surprised more of them don't move to another country to avoid unfair taxation. If that happened, who would be saddled with the tax burden?
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OK now you are just being ridiculous.

What percentage should be taken? 40%? 30%?

By the same logic you just posted, no one should pay taxes because no one gets back the dollars they put in. Yeah, even all those poor leeches people keep complaining about.

Heck, I haven't ever needed to call the fire department so I shouldn't pay for them. Why am I paying to save other people's lives? Screw them!

I don't need police either. I'll just buy lots of guns and shoot anyone I don't like. Don't need roads because I'll get a tracked vehicle and just drive wherever. Since there won't be any police, no one can stop me.

I only have one kid and the family next door has three so I shouldn't have to pay as much for schools. Heck people with no children shouldn't have to pay that at all.

This just keeps getting better and better.

Would you guys be happy if we just killed all the poor people? That'll show 'em. Then they would stop ruining your lives.

CBT said:
It is wrong to take half of what someone has and give it to someone else. That should bother everyone. Where will it stop? I mean, assuming you have two lungs, two kidneys, two eyeballs, and someone else doesn't, why not have half of them taken away from you? You shouldn't miss them, you still have half.
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Did cousin Jethro tell you this or do you have actual evidence?

CBT said:
My favorite is the "retarded checks" kids get for playing stupid on tests in school so mommy and daddy get that money on top of food stamps and 'regular' welfare checks.
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OK first of all, please post the actual text of the actual law in your state that explains the inheritance tax if you want to discuss it. And since when does inheriting money mean you earned it?

I think "inheritance" is the OPPOSITE of earning it. You are being given money by someone who died. How are you entitled to that again? How did you earn it?

Secondly, *I* am not the one whining about the laws here. So it seems I am happy here while you are not.

Good luck in your new country.

Joe Walsh said:
WOW! Truly amazing thought.
So if someone works hard and is successful, they should be happy to lose half of their income to taxes?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the inheritance taxes.
When you pass away the government has the right to take 55% of what you've already paid taxes on just because you died?
Oh....that's right! It only applies to those RICH people who worked hard for their entire life and managed to save a nice chunk of money in their retirement portfolio. Their surviving family members should be happy that they are getting 45%....It's still a lot of money...right?

I'll stay in America, you should move to a Communist country.
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duhtroll said:
For the record, I am not "deriding" the rich - never have.

I say they whine a lot. Apparently making $30 million is not enough for some. They have to have $50 million. After all, THEY are entitled to it!

No human being works hard enough to earn $50 million unless on a quarterly basis they cure a major disease or stop a war or something similar.
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If they can earn it they are entitled to it. I figure if taxes take an inordinate percentage of investment income, they could leave it in the bank and not pay taxes on it since they had no earnings from it. Then the rest of us in the middle class will have to make up for the difference since government spending isn't going down.
 
duhtroll said:
OK first of all, please post the actual text of the actual law in your state that explains the inheritance tax if you want to discuss it. And since when does inheriting money mean you earned it?

I think "inheritance" is the OPPOSITE of earning it. You are being given money by someone who died. How are you entitled to that again? How did you earn it?

Secondly, *I* am not the one whining about the laws here. So it seems I am happy here while you are not.

Good luck in your new country.
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Just why is the government entitled to something I earned and worked hard for? Why can't I pass it on to my children unencumbered?
 
I'm just gonna take a guess and say that if you have investments, you probably aren't worrying about your next meal.

Would you rather make $12,000 a year and pay no taxes or make $250,000 a year and only net $120K? Working the same number of hours, of course.

FordNut said:
If they can earn it they are entitled to it. I figure if taxes take an inordinate percentage of investment income, they could leave it in the bank and not pay taxes on it since they had no earnings from it. Then the rest of us in the middle class will have to make up for the difference since government spending isn't going down.
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Are you going to post the law? Because until then you're just firing blanks and we have nothing to talk about.

Also, please explain how your children earned your money. I am not saying the government should get it. I'm just asking a question.

FordNut said:
Just why is the government entitled to something I earned and worked hard for? Why can't I pass it on to my children unencumbered?
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duhtroll said:
Are you going to post the law? Because until then you're just firing blanks and we have nothing to talk about.

Also, please explain how your children earned your money. I am not saying the government should get it. I'm just asking a question.
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Perhaps you're also in favor of fedzilla taxing any birthday present you give your kids too? Fair is fair, right?

I think the point duhtroll is trying to make here is this;

If you own a Movie theater, don't open two or three more.
If you own a 5 bay car wash, don't expand it to 7.
If you run a small factory, don't hire more people.
If you sold a million albums, retire.
If your voice can fill a stadium, STFU.
If you risked your money on stocks, don't keep the rewards.
If you own 50 cows, shoot 25 of them.
If you have 20 employess, fire 10 of them.
If you work hard, slack off.
If you're successful, screw up.
If you can, leave America for some place that actually wants you. America does not want you. Hard work, long hours, innovation and talent WILL BE PUNISHED.

Move your job, your factories and employees to Mexico, China, or Taiwan where they will welcome you with lower tax rates, less restrictions, less bureaucracy and less red tape. They won't make you pay for the "have nots". These countries won't try to destroy you. We will.

You have been warned...
 
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duhtroll said:
OK first of all, please post the actual text of the actual law in your state that explains the inheritance tax if you want to discuss it. And since when does inheriting money mean you earned it?

I think "inheritance" is the OPPOSITE of earning it. You are being given money by someone who died. How are you entitled to that again? How did you earn it?

Secondly, *I* am not the one whining about the laws here. So it seems I am happy here while you are not.

Good luck in your new country.
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To that, I would suggest the notion that there are a number of individuals who work hard and make money so their posterity don't have to work as hard, and especially in the case where the money was left in a will, I think it's a little unfair to take from that in any case, not necessarily from the angle of the recipient but from the deceased as it was their desire that that money (which was already taxed once) go to the recipient. In that context, it seems pretty close to the government arbitrarily deciding what to do with your property. I can't really think of any other "gifts" outside of say a car that you will get taxed on for having it change hands like that.
 
duhtroll said:
Would you rather make $12,000 a year and pay no taxes or make $250,000 a year and only net $120K? Working the same number of hours, of course.
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Why should it stop with money? We can move this system into the classroom as well. When little Johnny only makes a 40% and Mary makes a 100%, we can take 30 points away from her so that they can both pass the class. Then we can tell Mary to quit complaining about EARNING her grade and having some taken away.


Since it is such a good thing for some people to pay more in taxes, do set an example and pay more in taxes than the government requires you to?
 
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