Health Care, Obama.....
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RICHMOND
U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson has denied the Obama administration's motion to dismiss Virginia's challenge to the federal health care overhaul package, meaning the case brought by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli will continue.
A mandate in the federal plan requiring those without insurance to purchase it in the coming years or face a financial penalty is one of the key conflicts in the case.
Federal attorney Ian Gershengorn argued during a July 1 hearing before Hudson that Virginia lacked the legal standing to challenge the case, claiming an individual without health insurance coverage could suffer a financial injury and seek relief from the courts, not a state.
Further, he told the court, imposing such a condition falls within Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce because at some point all people will have a medical need that will require costly care, whether or not they are insured.
Cuccinelli, who was present at the hearing but deferred oral arguments to his staff, contends that he has legal standing to challenge the federal policy because the individual coverage provision clashes with a new state law exempting Virginians from such mandates.
It is his job as attorney general, Cuccinelli asserts, to defend Virginia statutes. The attorney general also argues that Congress exceeded its authority to regulate commerce by imposing the insurance mandate. In addition to Cuccinelli's suit, several other states have joined together in a challenge of the federal health care plan.
Hudson wrote in his Aug. 2 opinion that the murky question of "whether or not Congress has the power to regulate -- and tax -- a citizen's decision not to participate in interstate commerce" is one that hasn't been "squarely addressed" by federal courts.
And because both sides made cogent legal arguments on that point, Hudson added, he has declined to toss the case out of court.
Hudson's opinion concluded with a call for a hearing on the merits of both sides' claims.
RICHMOND
U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson has denied the Obama administration's motion to dismiss Virginia's challenge to the federal health care overhaul package, meaning the case brought by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli will continue.
A mandate in the federal plan requiring those without insurance to purchase it in the coming years or face a financial penalty is one of the key conflicts in the case.
Federal attorney Ian Gershengorn argued during a July 1 hearing before Hudson that Virginia lacked the legal standing to challenge the case, claiming an individual without health insurance coverage could suffer a financial injury and seek relief from the courts, not a state.
Further, he told the court, imposing such a condition falls within Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce because at some point all people will have a medical need that will require costly care, whether or not they are insured.
Cuccinelli, who was present at the hearing but deferred oral arguments to his staff, contends that he has legal standing to challenge the federal policy because the individual coverage provision clashes with a new state law exempting Virginians from such mandates.
It is his job as attorney general, Cuccinelli asserts, to defend Virginia statutes. The attorney general also argues that Congress exceeded its authority to regulate commerce by imposing the insurance mandate. In addition to Cuccinelli's suit, several other states have joined together in a challenge of the federal health care plan.
Hudson wrote in his Aug. 2 opinion that the murky question of "whether or not Congress has the power to regulate -- and tax -- a citizen's decision not to participate in interstate commerce" is one that hasn't been "squarely addressed" by federal courts.
And because both sides made cogent legal arguments on that point, Hudson added, he has declined to toss the case out of court.
Hudson's opinion concluded with a call for a hearing on the merits of both sides' claims.
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SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Socialized Medicine. Here's what we can look forward to:
A Swedish man was forced to have his ***** amputated after waiting more than a year to learn he had cancer.
http://www.thelocal.se/31130/20101229/
A Swedish man was forced to have his ***** amputated after waiting more than a year to learn he had cancer.
http://www.thelocal.se/31130/20101229/
duhtroll
If it weren't for my horse...
Yep. One incident determines the course of an entire system, and anything not even remotely related to it in other countries.
We all know doctors under a for-profit system never make mistakes.
http://www.wlky.com/r/17550187/detail.html
We all know doctors under a for-profit system never make mistakes.
http://www.wlky.com/r/17550187/detail.html
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Hotrauder
GOD BLESS ALEX & FAMILY
Oh, you're just no fun...
Lets see, Rex, this could be a tall order for Cheesehead Medical, LLC. but I love a win win- a hooha implant for the Swede and a personality injection for Duhtroll. Go for it. Dennis:beer:
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Obama Health Care
Why is this a topic on a board about The Mercury Marauder!?!??
"Obama Care" as it is called IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH PROGRAM LIKE IN CANADA OR EUROPE! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The VERY SAME plan Obama passed that has been DEMONIZED by FOX and Rush, Sean, etc was IN FACT ALMOST THE IDENTICAL the same plan the GOP Robert Dole proposed BACK IN THE 90'S!
Why is this a topic on a board about The Mercury Marauder!?!??
"Obama Care" as it is called IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH PROGRAM LIKE IN CANADA OR EUROPE! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The VERY SAME plan Obama passed that has been DEMONIZED by FOX and Rush, Sean, etc was IN FACT ALMOST THE IDENTICAL the same plan the GOP Robert Dole proposed BACK IN THE 90'S!
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
I don't care who proposed it. Democrat or GOP! I DON'T want the gov telling me I have to buy something or penalizing me if I don't. This just gives them a foot hold on more things to come. I pay enough in taxes each year and the ENTITLEMENT programs out here are pitiful! TOO MUCH WASTE. People should carry their own weight instead riding the backs of hard working Americans. I'll take care of myself and my family because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY! Not other people! I heard it said best a few months ago... "I don't mind taking care of the HELPLESS but I DO NOT want to take care of the HOPELESS!"
If you fish for a man you feed him for a day, TEACH him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Elect a liberal, he'll create a government fishing agency to oversee the catching of fish, and will appoint a fish distribution czar to take some (most) of the fish you've caught and give them to those folks who really don't care to fish for their own...
Elect a liberal, he'll create a government fishing agency to oversee the catching of fish, and will appoint a fish distribution czar to take some (most) of the fish you've caught and give them to those folks who really don't care to fish for their own...
AMEN!! :lol:
Haggis
It's a dry heat
Elect a liberal, he'll create a government fishing agency to oversee the catching of fish, and will appoint a fish distribution czar to take some (most) of the fish you've caught and give them to those folks who really don't care to fish for their own...
But, I don't like fish. Can I have something else for dinner?
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Don't get me started on that issue ...:mad2:
Vortex
Native Texan
For profit medicine is a scam; there is just so much love for insurance companies and their shareholders. Anyone who doesnt believe insurance companies do not "ration" healthcare is, well, delusional. When you cant afford a premium, or cannot make a copay, or get dropped for a preexisting condition, or go broke paying non-covered expenses, you are being "rationed". Its almost funny how questioning the principal of getting a few people filthy rich off our present system is so socialistic and unAmerican.
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Statistics contradict your statement:
2009 Net Profit Margin of Healthcare Insurers
Aetna: 3.7%
Wellpoint: 7.3%
Cigna: 7.1%
United Health: 3.7%
Humana: 3.4%
Healthnet: -0.3%
Healthspring: 5.0%
Coventry Health Care: 2.3%
Molina Healthcare:0.8%
United American Corp: 2.7%
Unum Group: 8.4%
Median: 3.7%
http://larrycheng.com/2010/03/08/just-how-profitable-are-healthcare-insurers/
Second, Health insurance companies do not "ration" health care, they are merely a mechanism for providing payment for health care services. Physicians and hospitals provide health care services, and a substantial portion of those services are given without remuneration, so contrary to what is often stated, if an individual requires medical attention, it is available.
I'm not defending health insurance companies by any means, but to make them the bad guys to justify transitioning to a government-run health care system may be misdirected.
IMO, one of the major factors in the escalating heath care costs over the past 15 years has been increased government regulation and mandates. My wife is a Medical Lab Tech, and emperically, she's seen paperwork requirements more than double with no generated benefit. Add to that onerous malpractice settlements that often generate excessive or unnecessary tests or procedues in an effort for physicians to CYA, and you've got a bad situation that's getting worse.
And the cynic in me says there's virtually nothing the government can do better, more effectively, or cheaper, than the private sector. What we have ain't great by any means, but I don't think handing it off to the government to "fix" is the answer.
guspech750
V.I.P Parking for DTR's only!!
All I have to say is why should I and other working citizens have to pay for lazy sob's, drug addicts, women who can keep their legs closed and illegal aliens or someone who just doesn't want inssurance. There is not one good reason we have to foot the bill and reward losers.
