Shora
Senior Member
This anti <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> is going a bit too far. I guess that our biggest ally <st1:country-region><st1lace>England</st1lace></st1:country-region> should be condemned too since we fought them at one time too.
We cannot stay angry at everyone we ever fought with. We wouldn't have anyone to talk to.
I am not saying to forget, NEVER, but forgive. <st1:country-region><st1lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> is our ally now and we should respect that.
Also, those who are anti-Japanese when it comes to trucks please do not forget that your house and or office is filled with other goods from <st1:country-region><st1lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> or a Japanese company. (Items such as Computers, Radios, DVD Players, Televisions, Digital Cameras etc.) So, what's the big difference if you also bought your truck from them?
lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> is going a bit too far. I guess that our biggest ally <st1:country-region><st1lace>England</st1lace></st1:country-region> should be condemned too since we fought them at one time too.We cannot stay angry at everyone we ever fought with. We wouldn't have anyone to talk to.
I am not saying to forget, NEVER, but forgive. <st1:country-region><st1
lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> is our ally now and we should respect that.Also, those who are anti-Japanese when it comes to trucks please do not forget that your house and or office is filled with other goods from <st1:country-region><st1
lace>Japan</st1lace></st1:country-region> or a Japanese company. (Items such as Computers, Radios, DVD Players, Televisions, Digital Cameras etc.) So, what's the big difference if you also bought your truck from them?
Motorhead350
New member
I just move on. Sorry that I'm one of the Americans that don't care... I didn't forget nor will I, but I'm not gonna look at a Japanese car and say "No way, I'm not starting over. They bombed us so they won't be seeing a penny from me." Keep in mind that happened before just about any of us were alive so how does it effect you? Didn't effect me and the Japanese build some cars and trucks I like although they tend to be older ones like Datsons, like most of my old taste. I would look at a car and judge it by what it is... not who made it. Thats just prejudice and I totally disagree with that way of thinking. Thats just me and like I said do what you want. It doesn't effect me.
Motorhead350
New member
[\Also, those who are anti-Japanese when it comes to trucks please do not forget that your house and or office is filled with other goods from [/COLOR][/FONT]<st1:country-region><st1
You said it best. :up:
the_pack_rat
Big Daddy No Bucks
Technically that would low geared but numerically higher ... but I think I know what you meant.
To think my Cutlass used to have 2.14's in it !!!.
Your assumption appears to be correct according to this quote below from the link & article posted at the beginning of this thread.
I'm sure a set of 3.55's or 3.73's would hinder that trucks launch quite a bit.
Listen, thats just arrogant and disrespectful to all military service men and women who have made sacrifices for this country. That "Oh, it doesnt effect me so it doesnt matter" attitude. But ive got news for ya it did effect you! We are communicating in english right now arent we? Just because something happened before our time doesnt mean that It doesnt effect you its part of history and weather you like it or not it has had an effect on everyone. Also, I would like to know how all of the suddden I am prejudice? I dont want to buy japanese cars for reasons that I feel are 100% right for any american, thats it. For what was said about the electronics: Today it seems like you have no choice but to buy a product that isnt made somewhere in asia. However, with automobiles we still do have a choice and if people keep leaning twards foreign products soon the auto industry will look alot like today's electronic industries. I think that its bs that most things you buy today say made in china or some other country you cant pronounce when we are fully capable of putting people to work here and making a better product; sure it may not be as cheap but atleast you'd know that the extra money you spent is going to stay in our country. The american automakers are really hurting because of this "buy Import" trend and its very possible that the Imports will take over. I am just trying to do my part so we may not have to see that happen.
Leadfoot281
What?! Me worry?
Ditto! I'd buy an American built TV in a heartbeat except they quit making them. Why'd they do that? Because they weren't selling! Now we have absolutely NO choice in the matter.
I assume the same will go for cars. Will they still build them after we stop buying them? Would you build a product that no one wants to buy? 'Nuff said!
I have a choice (for now at least) and I proudly choose FoMoCo. I won't drive anything else and you can't make me!!!
Don't blame me if 30 years from now all we have to choose from are UGLY Jap trucks that were constructed from the rusty fenders of Dodges.
gpfarrell
Senior Member
Japanese trucks will never catch on. Yeah, nobody will ever buy their cars either.
GM & Ford better not rest on patriotism... their customers deserve better than that.
I love my F250, and I've loved all my Fords... but somebody's buying Toyotas and Toyota ain't losing "a Mustang a minute"... they actually make money.
So you can wave your flags... I wave mine too... but the Japanese have 100 year business plans. They don't care if it takes 10, 20, or 30 years to win a market. Toyota started selling cars in October 1957 and everybody laughed. Nobody's laughing now. Now, if we could just stretch our horizons past the next 90 days, or the next "de-contenting to prop profits and hope our buyers don't notice" strategy, just maybe we'll still be able to buy Fords in 10 years.
Oh, Forgive... don't Forget.
GM & Ford better not rest on patriotism... their customers deserve better than that.
I love my F250, and I've loved all my Fords... but somebody's buying Toyotas and Toyota ain't losing "a Mustang a minute"... they actually make money.
So you can wave your flags... I wave mine too... but the Japanese have 100 year business plans. They don't care if it takes 10, 20, or 30 years to win a market. Toyota started selling cars in October 1957 and everybody laughed. Nobody's laughing now. Now, if we could just stretch our horizons past the next 90 days, or the next "de-contenting to prop profits and hope our buyers don't notice" strategy, just maybe we'll still be able to buy Fords in 10 years.
Oh, Forgive... don't Forget.
grzellmer
Contributing Member
Comments on the thread
1) I respect and am grateful to our soldiers who have served in all wars.
2) I buy american because to me its like rooting for the hometown team.
However, I am a bit tired of being taken to the cleaners by US automakers whose product owns most of the list of fastest depreciating vehicles. Heck, its cheaper to lease a Mercedes than a base Dodge Charger.
So I buy my vehicles, and use them for a long time before repeating the process. This takes me out of the short term market for a new vehicle simply because the current one has such poor resale value. (This even though JD Power rates US vehicles comparible in quality.) Maybe it will get better with the US automakers weening themselves off incentives and fleet sales. We shall see.
Gary
1) I respect and am grateful to our soldiers who have served in all wars.
2) I buy american because to me its like rooting for the hometown team.
However, I am a bit tired of being taken to the cleaners by US automakers whose product owns most of the list of fastest depreciating vehicles. Heck, its cheaper to lease a Mercedes than a base Dodge Charger.
So I buy my vehicles, and use them for a long time before repeating the process. This takes me out of the short term market for a new vehicle simply because the current one has such poor resale value. (This even though JD Power rates US vehicles comparible in quality.) Maybe it will get better with the US automakers weening themselves off incentives and fleet sales. We shall see.
Gary
Motorhead350
New member
I'm done, I'm not here for debate. This has already gone on longer than I cared it to. I'm not going into my military views or anything else like that. I'm going back to listening to Chubby Checker.
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Mach1
Guest
Well, I guess if Toyota's "100 year business plan" works out. Ford, GM and Chrysler will all be out of business, leaving us with Toyota. I wonder what their business plan will have in store for us then?.....with no competition what would you do?
Keep on buying your Toyotas, just don't be complaining when your grandchildren don't have any place to work at other than Taco Bell.
Keep on buying your Toyotas, just don't be complaining when your grandchildren don't have any place to work at other than Taco Bell.
Motorhead350
New member
Theres more jobs in this country than auto makers.
michael ward
bad merk 04
THANK YOU!!
Motorhead350
New member
Whatever........
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Mad4Macs
Guest
What I find enlightening, is the response I got from Japanese citizens when asked "Would you buy American?". "No, of course not!", pretty much summed it up. The people I talked with weren't stupid. They didn't buy into the argument that if "GM brought factories to Japan, they'd be employing Japanese workers". The folks I talked to understand full well, that if GM opened plants in Japan, the profits would go back to America and an American company.
It's easy to see what happens when people are better educated (and less opinionated), they make better long term decisions.
It's easy to see what happens when people are better educated (and less opinionated), they make better long term decisions.
UAW 588
JAP CARS SUCK!!!
Ok little man, watch what you say about jobs and automakers. You just might have to hire a body guard for the 11th. Don't piss me off!!!!!!!!!!:mad2:
Dominick, just click on the bottom of my sig where it states LEVEL FIELD INSTITUTE. And educate yourself.
sailsmen
Supporting Member
It's very simple. Due to technology and world peace we have a global economy.
If a product or service can be provided more efficiently in a place other than where it is currently being produced it will.
The place that has become inefficient due government regulation/taxation or an increased standard of living has to either 1) become more efficient by changing the taxation/regulation and or reducing the standard of living or 2) provide a different product or service that it is more efficient at providing.
It happens all the time. A factory is built w/ a favorable government climate and eager workforce. After 10 years the government has increased taxes and regulations. The workforce has received a series of raises and is no longer eager. The factory can no longer produce a product at a price point that the consumer will buy.
The reason the US economy has gone to a service economy is because other places have an eager work force that can perform manufacturing jobs. The eager workforce in these other places do not currently have the ability to perform service jobs, however that is changing.
In order to compete w/out reducing our standard of living we have to have skills that the workers in these other places do not.
Some wish we could turn back the hands of time, we cannot. Some wish we could stop other places from advancing, short of war we cannot.
I have full confidence in the US worker and their ability to adopt and compete. The only impediment is the government which passes over 1,000 new laws per year!
If a product or service can be provided more efficiently in a place other than where it is currently being produced it will.
The place that has become inefficient due government regulation/taxation or an increased standard of living has to either 1) become more efficient by changing the taxation/regulation and or reducing the standard of living or 2) provide a different product or service that it is more efficient at providing.
It happens all the time. A factory is built w/ a favorable government climate and eager workforce. After 10 years the government has increased taxes and regulations. The workforce has received a series of raises and is no longer eager. The factory can no longer produce a product at a price point that the consumer will buy.
The reason the US economy has gone to a service economy is because other places have an eager work force that can perform manufacturing jobs. The eager workforce in these other places do not currently have the ability to perform service jobs, however that is changing.
In order to compete w/out reducing our standard of living we have to have skills that the workers in these other places do not.
Some wish we could turn back the hands of time, we cannot. Some wish we could stop other places from advancing, short of war we cannot.
I have full confidence in the US worker and their ability to adopt and compete. The only impediment is the government which passes over 1,000 new laws per year!
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Raudermaster
I need more COWBELL!
And I wasn't wrong, Dodge was. If you go under the Ram tech. data, it has most of their "Hemi" powered trucks listed as 335hp and some at 345. I didn't check the ones with 345.
gpfarrell
Senior Member
No competition? Didn't you see the little stand tucked away in the corner of the basement at Cobo Hall during the auto show? Those were Chinesse cars. You may remember the Korean cars started trickling in 15 years ago and we all laughed?
China is loaded with eager workers that would love to get paid two spoonfuls of rice everyday instead of one. They'll be happy to compete with Toyota.
Show me a profitable industry and competitors will pop up like mushrooms.
I'm not saying we can't compete with Toyota though. But if we're going to, we could do worse than steal a page or two out of their playbook.
I can't imagine where my grandchildren will work. I'm still trying to get my firstborn potty trained. But if they add more value to an employer or consumer than their peers add, they'll be fine. The laws of economics still work, but with today's communication & technology they just work a little faster.
We can keep up or get run over.
Dr Caleb
Vendi Vidi Velcro
Bingo! In case anyone missed it, there was this little conflict in 1812 where former British subjects who rebelled (for good reason) against their rightful sovereign who started a war with, at the time, current British subjects to the north. The rebels lost.
I know you are still a little sore about the whole White House thing but if we hadn't kissed and made up, none of you would have bought a Canadian built Marauder.
Toyota makes trucks. Buy one, or don't. Move along, nothing to see here.