6R80 Swap Coming?!?!

vkirkend said:
Could someone elaborate on this... I just killed the trans on Slayer1.....
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http://http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Ford%20modular%20motor%20to%20Chev%20adapter%20kit.htm


I did some research CWright build and I believe that is the adapter he's using, Hughes performance is another way of making the 4l80 work with an adapter.

The 4l80 seems the route to best take at the moment but I'm just too impressed win the 6r80 and what those things can handle in stock form and it being a sick speed is a added bonus.

http://http://shraderperformance.com/2015/09/6r80-transmission-conversion-for-99-04-mustangs/


Im now waiting to see when this company drops their controller supposedly the 6r80 is being used in the video they posted on their site and are even now selling 6r80 trans mounts for new edge mustangs.
 
blkZooM said:
http://http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Ford%20modular%20motor%20to%20Chev%20adapter%20kit.htm


I did some research CWright build and I believe that is the adapter he's using, Hughes performance is another way of making the 4l80 work with an adapter.

The 4l80 seems the route to best take at the moment but I'm just too impressed win the 6r80 and what those things can handle in stock form and it being a sick speed is a added bonus.

http://http://shraderperformance.com/2015/09/6r80-transmission-conversion-for-99-04-mustangs/


Im now waiting to see when this company drops their controller supposedly the 6r80 is being used in the video they posted on their site and are even now selling 6r80 trans mounts for new edge mustangs.
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Both are good transmissions , but the 4L80E (basically a th 400) can handle much more power than the 6R80 , it's a bad mutha!

And the Hughes 4L80E doesn't use an adapter, it uses an aftermarket SFI bell housing.
 
MOTOWN said:
Both are good transmissions , but the 4L80E (basically a th 400) can handle much more power than the 6R80 , it's a bad mutha!

And the Hughes 4L80E doesn't use an adapter, it uses an aftermarket SFI bell housing.
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My bad meant to put "without an adapter" and didn't know that the 4l80e was still stronger, but it's still would be hella nice to throw in the 6r and know that it's going to take damn near all you can throw at it in stock form, at least in a mustang wonder how they hold up to the weight of our cars with a lot of torque. He 4l80e seems to get pricy fast when you start to build them up.
 
The 6R80 in the Coyote is smooth like butta! Lidio is pushing 900+rwhp through his coyote 6R80 Mustang.
 
In 2005 Ford was using the 6HP26 (6R60/6R80) in a few 4.6L set ups I thought. Is it that hard to get to work in a 2003-04 vehicle?

The Explorer Sport Adrenaline, Mercury Mountaineer, Navigator and other vehicles had the 6 speed in 2005. I would think one could get a semi custom rebuilt one that was made for performance and not have many issues setting it up.
 
Colt said:
In 2005 Ford was using the 6HP26 (6R60/6R80) in a few 4.6L set ups I thought. Is it that hard to get to work in a 2003-04 vehicle?

The Explorer Sport Adrenaline, Mercury Mountaineer, Navigator and other vehicles had the 6 speed in 2005. I would think one could get a semi custom rebuilt one that was made for performance and not have many issues setting it up.
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controlling them is the issue no one seems to know how to go about doing that.
 
Currently no one makes a stand-alone harness for the 6R80 transmission , only for the Coyote motor, and the transmission together.
 
The interface module that has to convert the info from the marauder PCM or any non-CANBUS PCM(analog) to the 6r80 (CANBUS) is the problem.

NOt really the interface but the program that runs on it is the biggest hurdle. Whoever figures out that program first will definitely make a lot of money!
 
I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.

Released by ZF in 2000 the 6HP26 transmission was the first 6 speed automatic to be used in production passenger cars. Normally reserved for high end luxury and sports cars it was in 2005 when Ford Australia released the transmission into there Falcon and Territory range of vehicles. With manufactures now looking to add more speed to there transmissions Kia & Hyundai are now using this transmission in the Kia Mohave & Hyundai Genesis V8.

The following use the Two-wheel drive version:
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And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.
 
Colt said:
I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.



And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.
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not that many marauders out there with owners willing to experiment or spend the r & d bucks to try it. why do you think most aftermarket maraudef performance parts sfe obsolete now? Procharger kit? nope, trilogy kit? nope, baer brake kit?, nope, eibach lowering kit?, nope. too small of a market now.
 
jwibbity said:
The interface module that has to convert the info from the marauder PCM or any non-CANBUS PCM(analog) to the 6r80 (CANBUS) is the problem.

NOt really the interface but the program that runs on it is the biggest hurdle. Whoever figures out that program first will definitely make a lot of money!
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I'm starting to wonder about something, but I don't know how the 6r80 is actually controlled does it need input from the engine? would it be possible to use two pcm flash the coyote pcm and disable all the futures that we don't need and simply have it control the trans alone?

RubberCtyRauder said:
not that many marauders out there with owners willing to experiment or spend the r & d bucks to try it. why do you think most aftermarket maraudef performance parts sfe obsolete now? Procharger kit? nope, trilogy kit? nope, baer brake kit?, nope, eibach lowering kit?, nope. too small of a market now.
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I plan on driving mine to the wheels fall off, and have found away around the performance issue that aren't there anymore for our cars, but the comment about two small of a market I think is wrong, though the Marauder market is too small the market to get a 6 speed auto behind a 4.6L or 5.4L is sill huge it doesn't need to be targeted at our group directly LOTS of people other than us in the modular 4.6/5.4L may it be 2v or 4v world would benefit from that experiment

I wonder if colt could be on to something, I'm going to research to see if the earlier ZF 6hp26 had the can bus system running them, I think they did... : Nope that trans is can bus controlled also. Hell that 4l80e is looking real good, i missed out on buying one for $250
 
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he was shocked that a 6 speed auto conversion for 03-04 Maraduer was not out there...I was not including other possible 4.6 platforms. as this is a Marauder site..
 
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Colt said:
I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.



And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.
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Does a third pedal count? [emoji4]


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The 6r80 is a CAN bus controlled transmission, i.e. fully electronic and integrated into the PCM/ECM of the car or truck it came out of.

Currently to swap it into ours or any other vehicle, you will need to use the PCM of the donor vehicle, the only problem with that is you cant just use the PCM only for the trans, it must communicate with every component to work properly. Since most of us want to use the 4.6L engine we have no way of communicating with the trans.

The aftermarket controller will have two major jobs to do. First it must take inputs from the stock PCM and simulate the donor car CAN bus system for the trans to function. Then it must also take the trans inputs from the stock PCM and convert/integrate them into that CAN bus system to control the transmission.

All these companies like PA and Baumann are promising stand alone controllers for non-coyote vehicles but nothing has been brought to the market yet.

I've just emailed PA, USshift/Baumann, and Schrader Performance who was said to have successfully done it
 
PA just emailed me back, they are expecting release to be mid-August for the non-coyote 6R80 controller.

Baumann has a 6r80 behind a pushrod 5.0L in a SN95 mustang and is expecting a fall release date. They are working on the the whole "simplifying the tuning process" for the trans.

This will happen but we will see the limitations when they actually release them.
 
Reply back from Power by the Hour

Jordan,


We do not have a stand alone trans controller for the 6r80. Our system is designed to work with a factory pcm where it runs the engine and the transmission so that the 6r80 can be used with torq management. Stand alone controllers to date can not do this and will not be able to deliver what you see done in the 11-up cars.


If you can figure out how to get the 4v to work with the factory auto coyote pcm then you can use what we have. To do so someone one needs to add the throttle body, knock sensors, cht, ect, etc from an coyote so that you can use the coytoe harness and subsequently the pcm as well.


Currently we do not have plans to do so here in house. Our next venture maybe for the 3v guys so they can dump the 5r55 trans.


Frank Perdomo

Power By The Hour Performance
561-737-2331
www.pbhperformance.com
215 SE 8th Ave
Boynton Beach, Fl
33435

 
jwibbity said:
The 6r80 is a CAN bus controlled transmission, i.e. fully electronic and integrated into the PCM/ECM of the car or truck it came out of.

Currently to swap it into ours or any other vehicle, you will need to use the PCM of the donor vehicle, the only problem with that is you cant just use the PCM only for the trans, it must communicate with every component to work properly. Since most of us want to use the 4.6L engine we have no way of communicating with the trans.

The aftermarket controller will have two major jobs to do. First it must take inputs from the stock PCM and simulate the donor car CAN bus system for the trans to function. Then it must also take the trans inputs from the stock PCM and convert/integrate them into that CAN bus system to control the transmission.

All these companies like PA and Baumann are promising stand alone controllers for non-coyote vehicles but nothing has been brought to the market yet.

I've just emailed PA, USshift/Baumann, and Schrader Performance who was said to have successfully done it
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I guess what I don't understand is that the vehicles with the like transmission have tuning kits that as far as I know adjust the trans for shift points and other things. Its used in many apps on many vehicles. I know little about 'tech' but could a PCM from a 4.6L Explorer/F150 that uses the Trans be reprogramed for use in a Marauder? Swap and adjust the PCM? Our vehicles have a weight like a mid size SUV and the PCM's are similar.

I am amazed that people can break PCM tuning codes in a few months or a year when the factory tries to keep it secured, yet a 15+ year old transmission used by most vehicle makers in many different vehicles is more secured than Fort Knox. More so when Ford based Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Range Rover seem to use them.

There might be about 25 million plus of these transmissions made, and they are limited only what they were designed to be used in 15 years later. I give props to the over all team that made them and wish would Governments would use them for security devices and measures...
 
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jwibbity said:
If you can figure out how to get the 4v to work with the factory auto coyote pcm then you can use what we have.
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This is why I am so interested in this now someone one on SVTP has done this exact thing in his GT500 another has also got it done in his 2014/13 GT500 He did a write up on it got pissed at someone and took it down. ill link the thread http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?1087721-Gt500-6r80-swap/page8
I've linked in towards the end but read post 192, this can be done it seems biggest hurdle for us early 4v guys would be the "Drive by wire" throttle body
 
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