Brand new 96 impala

Yes, but take you average mid 80s Ford, you are going to get the same type of thing. Anyways, also have a 96 Jeep Cherokee with 180k miles, runs great and everything works, 4wd, cold AC, etc, etc. I am just saying regardless of how hard whatever is driven, a late 90s car is going to last a LOT longer than a mid 80s car. Heck, i had 91 and 93 T-Birds and they were fun to drive and total junk. The 91 blew a headgasket at 101k miles and at 103 the 93 had blown out it's freez plugs twice, needed both front tie rod ends and ball joints replace (that was actually at 85k), and the transmission was acting up. My 97 Vic had 170k miles, but had needed a transmission at 130k and was losing overdrive on long trips. Also almost bought a 92 Crown Vic with 60k miles, but the transmission was out (gotta love first year models). Anyways i have owned enough of each of the big 3 to tell you, year for year, mile for mile, they are basically a wash in reliability and it has gotten better year after year since the 80s.

I dont doubt you by any means. i know newer cars are built better, but i still feel that my ford has been the best vehicle i could have bought for $900. my dad still drives his 65 f100 with the 6 cylinder and 4 speed manual. ya its starting to rust finally (he lives in nebraska which is as moist as flour) but still runs like a champ.
 
So did my 1500 CVPI and so does my 1100 dollar Caddy :) i wish i haver sold the vic though, thing handles like on rails LOL
 
So did my 1500 CVPI and so does my 1100 dollar Caddy :) i wish i haver sold the vic though, thing handles like on rails LOL

mine was exciting... anytime i took a corner, at any speed, it felt like a rollercoaster... ya i liked to carve them corners. hehe
 
You do realize you are comparing 2 cars from the mid 80s to a car from the late 90s. All the big 3 had came a LONG way since then and my 96 Caprice was as reliable, actually more so, than my 97 Vic, but the Vic was still damned good. Hell, my fleetwood has 150k miles and runs great and has NEVER let me down, it';s not perfect, but it is reliable, even still has an ice cold AC. Not bad for $1100 LOL.

In what respect was your 96 Caprice more reliable than your 97 Vic?
 
In what respect was your 96 Caprice more reliable than your 97 Vic?


I second that question, i'd like to know to. Not saying that they are unreliable, but my friend had (dad drives now) a 94 caprice with the police package, the LT-1 and a set of magnaflow true dual's. At the same time the door panels were falling off, the rear end blew out, and it shifted hard if you stomped on the gas. My uncle had a grey caprice and the paint was spider cracking, and im pretty sure the tranny went in that also.



Do tell your tale :)
 
Basically i had had ZERO problems with the Caprice ever, I had ZERO squeaks, ZERO rattles. the Vic had a few squeaks and rattles, a bad tie rod, and the transmission was on it's way out for the second time. Not to mention the Vic required a few sensors. Nothing that wasn't mentioned earlier in the thread.
 
No OptiSpark problems with my Caprice. i also has a 96 Roadmaster for a shorter time all it ever needed was a new thrmostat, but I only had it for 20k miles. i also had a much lower mileage 94 mercury Grand Marquis, not a tired old police car, had a few problems with the engine smoking in it, AC died, and it the throttle would stick at WOT, scared the **** out of me. I have had way too many cars LOL. Still with the issues, I'd have a Panther or B-Body over any other car. Hell, the Fleetwood has over 160k m miles now and after some new plugs and wires runs as any car I have ever had of course it is the older 350 TBI and lacking in power, but I have no doubt i can get at least another 100k miles out of it without any kind of overhaul. And these all experiences "I" have had, not my friend, not my second cousin Bob, but me, all cars with lots of mixed miles (20-30k miles a year in most cases).
 
I'm a ford guy to be sure, I respect the GM vehicles, but from my experience, fords last longer overall. I have seen this for many years of personal expeience, and professional experiance as well. my store stocks far fewer parts for panthers, than for GM full-size cars. Gm hasnt built too many in the past ten years, and ford has built hundreds of thousands of them, yet a chain of autoparts stores with 4000 stores chooses to stock 12 rotors for the caprice, and two for pre03, and two for 03-up panthers.(wth?)
all sorts of stuff I have to order, and yet I have gm stuff in stock. I sell a optispark a week.


I love chevies... but then I sell autoparts for a living... whats not to love?

if the car was stored properly, it wont be an issue, a can of fogging spray is cheap, it looked kept indoors,climate control and keep weight off the suspension, and start it ocassionally, no problems.

(I'd take a 96 SS in a "heartbeat" though)
 
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That's interesting, but like i have said, i can make a huge list of the big 3 I have had, including 2 panthers, 2 B-Bodies, 1 D-Body and there is really no difference, it';s all in the maintenence, A well kept Ford will not outlast a well kept GM and so forth. And also with autoparts store, around here it is just the opposite, even on maintenence items. i had to order rotors/pads for the Caprice, but for my Vic and the grand Marquis they were in stock on the spot. Wierd I guess, but eh.
 
That said i could put a list of issues i have had with my grand Prix and a list of uissues I had with the 2 thunderbirds I owned, i just think the B-Bodies and Panthers are above average reliaibility examples for both GM and Ford.
 
A well kept Ford will not outlast a well kept GM and so forth.

So you know this for a fact, or your opinion? My friend's father has a 1987 F150 XLT 4.9l 5spd 4x4. Nothing special what so ever, just been a fantastic truck since he's bought it knew. He has about 385,000 miles on that truck with not a single engine rebuild. The only thing he's changed major has been the head gaskets, and that truck starts every time you turn the key. So I don't know how you can say that, maybe you're basing it on yourself only and comparing your Vic and Caprice's, which wouldn't be very accurate.
 
Actually if I am going by family and friends I'd say the GMs last longer, most people I know with Fords don't have them very long. That said all i can really go on is my personal experiences, there are Fleetwoods, Caprices, Impalas, and Roadmasters with more than 200k-300k and run great and many on stock engines. Right now I have a 98 Ranger, 00 GTP, and 93 Fleetwood. The Ranger needed a new engine at 100k and now needs a new transmission at 170k, the crown Vic needed it's second transmission rebuild when I sold it,. needed front end work, had an airbag light, and the bolts that hold the driver's seat down all broke but 1 the fan Speed control didn't work (full or nothing), and had to replace multiple sensors, but the engine as smooth as can be. the Grand marquis had sticking throttle issues at 103k and was showing signs of transmission failure, I bought a 60k mile SHO Taurus and only kept it for 6 hours because it starting throwing a check engine light and codes, my 91 T-bird blew it's headgaskets and multiple brake issues, and the AC was non operational, again had just over 110k when I sold it, my 93 T-Bird blew out it's freezeplugs, had to have balljoint=s and tierod ends replaced on both sides at 83k miles, alternator went out, AC went out, and the transmission was going out and the main seals were leaking oil from the engine (5.0 HO) There is the fun I have had with Fords. Now my GM I won't include my S-10s since they were both smallblock conversions, though I can say at 180k and 205k miules the bodies and suspension were in great shape. My roadmaster only ever needed a thermostat, though my time with it was short (only got to put about 20k miles on it, had 90k when i traded it), Caprice in 50k miles of driving needed nothing but basic maintenence, the caddie is need of shocks and tires and the intermittent wipers don't work, but, from the previous and only owner, has never had a motor or transmission rebuild and is at 160k miles and runs and shifts as good as any new car. Now the GTP, this has been my most troublesome GM, tranny rebuild at 130k miles, AC has a leak, window switch is out and replace both front wheel hubs, though most of that is a direct result of the extra power being channeled through the front wheels. That's a lot of experience and you posted but ONE example of a high mileage Ford and it is great it has lasted so long, but that is but one example I am sure i can find at LEAST 1 chevy or GMC locally that has done the same or MORE. And I stick by it, Ford and GM are the same, you take care of them and they will treat you well, I mean hell, i am not here saying Fords are pieces of **** and GMs rule the world or some similar stupid BS. I mean give it break, don't be so blinded by Ford you have to take poy shots at other manufactures to make yourself feel better or something (or why, I wouldn't know as it's pretty silly). Anywho, I would own either one as both have come a real long way in thast few years especially.
 
Actually if I am going by family and friends I'd say the GMs last longer, most people I know with Fords don't have them very long. That said all i can really go on is my personal experiences, there are Fleetwoods, Caprices, Impalas, and Roadmasters with more than 200k-300k and run great and many on stock engines. Right now I have a 98 Ranger, 00 GTP, and 93 Fleetwood. The Ranger needed a new engine at 100k and now needs a new transmission at 170k, the crown Vic needed it's second transmission rebuild when I sold it,. needed front end work, had an airbag light, and the bolts that hold the driver's seat down all broke but 1 the fan Speed control didn't work (full or nothing), and had to replace multiple sensors, but the engine as smooth as can be. the Grand marquis had sticking throttle issues at 103k and was showing signs of transmission failure, I bought a 60k mile SHO Taurus and only kept it for 6 hours because it starting throwing a check engine light and codes, my 91 T-bird blew it's headgaskets and multiple brake issues, and the AC was non operational, again had just over 110k when I sold it, my 93 T-Bird blew out it's freezeplugs, had to have balljoint=s and tierod ends replaced on both sides at 83k miles, alternator went out, AC went out, and the transmission was going out and the main seals were leaking oil from the engine (5.0 HO) There is the fun I have had with Fords. Now my GM I won't include my S-10s since they were both smallblock conversions, though I can say at 180k and 205k miules the bodies and suspension were in great shape. My roadmaster only ever needed a thermostat, though my time with it was short (only got to put about 20k miles on it, had 90k when i traded it), Caprice in 50k miles of driving needed nothing but basic maintenence, the caddie is need of shocks and tires and the intermittent wipers don't work, but, from the previous and only owner, has never had a motor or transmission rebuild and is at 160k miles and runs and shifts as good as any new car. Now the GTP, this has been my most troublesome GM, tranny rebuild at 130k miles, AC has a leak, window switch is out and replace both front wheel hubs, though most of that is a direct result of the extra power being channeled through the front wheels. That's a lot of experience and you posted but ONE example of a high mileage Ford and it is great it has lasted so long, but that is but one example I am sure i can find at LEAST 1 chevy or GMC locally that has done the same or MORE. And I stick by it, Ford and GM are the same, you take care of them and they will treat you well, I mean hell, i am not here saying Fords are pieces of **** and GMs rule the world or some similar stupid BS. I mean give it break, don't be so blinded by Ford you have to take poy shots at other manufactures to make yourself feel better or something (or why, I wouldn't know as it's pretty silly). Anywho, I would own either one as both have come a real long way in thast few years especially.

you cant say one will last longer than the other because according to toyota, chevy, dodge, and ford, they all have the longest lasting products.
 
And you can't say Fords last longer if you are going to use that argument, all i can go on is MY personaly experiences and that is 5 Fords and 6 GMs, including 2 panthers, 2 b-bodies, and a d-body and the origional debate was actually the reliability between B/D-bodies and Panthers was it not? They are about the same, neither are perfect, but are a bit above the curve for their respective manufacturers. When putting "my" experiences together, they are spot on.
 
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