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stevengerard
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Don't get me going on that stuff - i agree with you - but not accepting responsibility has been happening for hundred's of years from slavery to me growing up with priests doing way more than preaching.
I hear it all the time, when a kid gets in trouble many parents either say "not my kid" or "your being racist" or tell the kid not to say anything until they talk to a lawyer - our society has learned not to take responsibility for anything - its a shame. All I can do is try to teach my kids to be better.
I must say though I think there are many wonderful people out there and typically most people are good. 99% of people are born good The trouble is many people don't take the time to pause and think what has the other person gone through to make them who they are now.
Today's news, an 11 year old pointed a gun at a fellow student. (I believe in was in Nebraska.) Weapon was not loaded.
Heard this out of the "corner of my eye", so if I'm wrong, my apologies.
With all the press lately on guns, security, etc, how does this family let an 11 year old do this? Even if the kid did it as a joke and the gun was empty, if an armed guard or cop, especially this week, saw this kid point the gun, would he be in the right to shoot him?
Few weeks ago, in Pa, a 7 year old was killed while buckling himself up in the back of dad's car. Dad left a gun on the seat, removed the cartridge, but left a round in the chamber.
Somehow, the gun went off.
With so many people owning weapons, even a small percentage of idiots could have a major impact.
That's the big problem. There's no test for stupidity or for something even as basic as temporary rage/anger.
Heard this out of the "corner of my eye", so if I'm wrong, my apologies.
With all the press lately on guns, security, etc, how does this family let an 11 year old do this? Even if the kid did it as a joke and the gun was empty, if an armed guard or cop, especially this week, saw this kid point the gun, would he be in the right to shoot him?
Few weeks ago, in Pa, a 7 year old was killed while buckling himself up in the back of dad's car. Dad left a gun on the seat, removed the cartridge, but left a round in the chamber.
Somehow, the gun went off.
With so many people owning weapons, even a small percentage of idiots could have a major impact.
That's the big problem. There's no test for stupidity or for something even as basic as temporary rage/anger.
kernie
'That' brother
Thanks guys.
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Yep, he sure is, the only problem is when Kernie posts, he posts to stir the *****, not really for anything beneficial.....
You are entitled to your opinion on this opinion board.
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Spectragod
Willing to meet up half way
Apparently my opinion is the same as some mods on this board.
MrBluGruv
That GM guy....
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you ever find yourself down Texas way, I'll buy ya a beer.
And some of our local breweries ain't too bad if I do say so myself. 
IwantmyMMnow!
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Other points I brought up during one of my discussions with my friend...
We have laws that prohibit drugs...do we still have people dying from drugs?
We have laws that prohibit drinking and driving...do we still have people dying from drunk drivers?
We tried to outlaw alcohol...didn't work; it went 'underground', just like guns would if they were outlawed.
What is the common thread that poses the threat in all of the above? People; it's not the crackpipe, it's not the vehicle, it's not the alcohol. Inanimate objects cannot sway a person into using them; the person has to make the decision to lay his hands on them.
Having 'good' laws is only a piece of the puzzle...what point is it to have 'good' laws if they are not enforced properly or if the punishment isn't harsh enough to deter people from breaking them?
We have laws that prohibit drugs...do we still have people dying from drugs?
We have laws that prohibit drinking and driving...do we still have people dying from drunk drivers?
We tried to outlaw alcohol...didn't work; it went 'underground', just like guns would if they were outlawed.
What is the common thread that poses the threat in all of the above? People; it's not the crackpipe, it's not the vehicle, it's not the alcohol. Inanimate objects cannot sway a person into using them; the person has to make the decision to lay his hands on them.
Having 'good' laws is only a piece of the puzzle...what point is it to have 'good' laws if they are not enforced properly or if the punishment isn't harsh enough to deter people from breaking them?
Spectragod
Willing to meet up half way
To answer your question, if an LEO saw the 11YO point a gun @ someone, and if that 11 YO didn't follow commands or they felt another life was in danger, then the correct response is to neutralize the threat.
As far as the gun in the back seat, how can you remove the cartridge and there still be a round in the chamber, if that is what the news said, then that is part of the problem.
A week or so ago, a county south of me, a 17YO "teenager" decided to hold up a gas station with a gun (BB gun), most unfortunate for him, the owner came out of the back room with a shotgun and shot him dead, no charges filed, the BB gun looked like a real gun.
Had it had been real, and he pulled off the robbery, instead of leaving, sometimes they decide to leave no witness's, saw that at a pawn shop in town earlier this year.
We can debate this forever and never get anywhere. There are a lot of guns in the U.S., banning them won't fix anything, I think a mandatory gun owner IQ test is in order, and start making people responsible for their own actions would be a good start. And instead of releasing people committing crimes, how about actually making the stay miserable, i.e. chain gangs, breaking rocks, etc.....
kernie
'That' brother
I'm sure said mods can speak for themselves. I have the highest respect for them and will moderate my behavior if ever asked.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you ever find yourself down Texas way, I'll buy ya a beer.
Thanks, if i ever do make it down that way i will take you up on that offer!
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guspech750
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People are the problem. I'm a big fan of target shooting. There needs to be more stringent background checks. Mentally I'll people need to be reported so that they are know to be mentally I'll when a background check is done. Funding for treating the mentally ill needs to be reinstated and increased instead of going to countries overseas that hate us. Making our current laws stricter, more punishable. No more plea bargains for criminals or anyone for that matter.
In the end, people are the problem. Always has been. Always will be. End people and the problems will end.
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In the end, people are the problem. Always has been. Always will be. End people and the problems will end.
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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom
rayjay
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I guess we of the thin blue line all think a like. They'll bring back the assault weapons ban in some form or another, the murders will continue unabated. People will continue to kill people if they have to use rocks. Thats just the way it is. If not a Bushmaster, Colt, Armalite, Mossberg, you name it, then a car or truck bomb. The tool is irrelevant, we have gone too far down a unrepairable road in this country. I suppose some blue ribbon panel of educated idiots piled higher and deeper will make nonsensical recommendations that those of us in the real world look at and say WTF?
In the mean time the people of that Ct town won't care, they are too busy trying to mourn their loss and dodge, cough, journalists... :shake:
sailsmen
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The ORACLE has foretold the TRUTH!
IwantmyMMnow!
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With all the 'freebies', 2nd/3rd/4th/umpteenth chances given to our citizens, we have taken on the mindset of, "Ask not what I can do for my country, but what my country can do for me."
Who has the power to change this?
WE, THE PEOPLE....
Who has the power to change this?
WE, THE PEOPLE....
Regarding my situation in the library with my son ,two developments today. First I got he guys plate number and through sources I now know all about him. This is my ace in the hole which I hope I never have to use. Second I had a great talk with the Ltd at he precinct and we worked out a procedure where an officer will be called tomorrow to confront and question him. Hopefully this will scare him off If not then we will see . One of the things that makes this forum great is the comraderie and support. Thanks much for the feedback
duhtroll
If it weren't for my horse...
The car and knife argument is ridiculous. Can we put that one away?
The killer, armed with a car would not have made it into the school. Even if he had waited until recess, he most likely could not have run over 26 people and suicide would have been difficult after.
The killer, armed with a knife would not have obtained entry to the building and even if so would have killed significantly fewer people before being wrestled to the ground.
The killer, armed with handguns only and fewer rounds to be spent so rapidly, likely would have killed fewer people.
The killer, armed with a bomb, could have killed more people but at least would have had to make some actual effort building said bomb and may have had to do more than shoot his mother in the face to obtain the material. It also would have given him time to reflect, perhaps, or be discovered.
The issue is speed and availability, not the existence of guns themselves.
EDIT: Add the armed guard scenario. The armed guard has much more of a chance against someone wielding a handgun vs. an AR-15.
The killer, armed with a car would not have made it into the school. Even if he had waited until recess, he most likely could not have run over 26 people and suicide would have been difficult after.
The killer, armed with a knife would not have obtained entry to the building and even if so would have killed significantly fewer people before being wrestled to the ground.
The killer, armed with handguns only and fewer rounds to be spent so rapidly, likely would have killed fewer people.
The killer, armed with a bomb, could have killed more people but at least would have had to make some actual effort building said bomb and may have had to do more than shoot his mother in the face to obtain the material. It also would have given him time to reflect, perhaps, or be discovered.
The issue is speed and availability, not the existence of guns themselves.
EDIT: Add the armed guard scenario. The armed guard has much more of a chance against someone wielding a handgun vs. an AR-15.
sailsmen
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Keep in mind if he is as you say he is he will not hesitate to lie and if he is familiar with the system use it against you. Be prepared to respond to this -"He cut me off, followed me into the parking lot, approached and threatened me. He followed me and is continuing to stalk me".
Spectragod
Willing to meet up half way
And your experience in this field is............?
Your living in a dream world, you need to look at facts instead of what the news media is telling you.
duhtroll
If it weren't for my horse...
Or how about I have worked in schools for the last 21 years - since I don't watch any "media" I'm wondering what you're referring to. Nothing I said is in dispute unless you can give valid reasons how a Cadillac could have killed those 20 kids/6 staff members.
I own guns. I shoot guns. I won't carry one at school.
Surveyed the staff over lunch. Only two teachers would volunteer to carry if they were allowed. Both of them are avid Rush listeners. Go figure.
I own guns. I shoot guns. I won't carry one at school.
Surveyed the staff over lunch. Only two teachers would volunteer to carry if they were allowed. Both of them are avid Rush listeners. Go figure.
It's not what the media is telling us.
It's what common sense is telling us.
How many Oklahoma Cities have we had?
Mass killings by knife?
Sure, anything can be used as a weapon, but it would be silly to say "how come we don't outlaw rocks, clothes line, hardcover books, and adjustable wrenches?"
The argument I'm hearing is "you can't stop these nutbags 100% of the time, so why bother at all?"
Today, that just doesn't work for most people. Maybe seven days ago, but not today.
Bigdogjim
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You forget?
Actually by box cutter Sept.11, 2001 2,997 people and 4 jets highjacked over American sky's all with a simple box cutter.
Actually by box cutter Sept.11, 2001 2,997 people and 4 jets highjacked over American sky's all with a simple box cutter.
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