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[PonyUP]

"The Bill of Rights," as introduced to the first US Congress and comprising what became the first ten ammendments to the US Constitution, is one of the key founding documents of the United States. It is not only a vital symbol of our country and the freedom that we have always strived for, it is a landmark in world history.

No previous generation has seen a need to delete anything in "The Bill of Rights" or make any changes to it since it's ratification in 1791. Admittedly, there are a lot of people that would like to do that very thing; they sincerely believe that they are more qualified to determine the principles that should guide this country than Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and the other men who founded it.

Today, those people would choose to repeal the 2nd Ammendment; it is an obsolete relic written with feather pens by men in powdered wigs. People don't need guns, it's stupid. It is not suited for the modern world, it must go for the common good.

Once that boundary is crossed, what next ? Will some less enlightened administration find trials to be adverse to the common good some day, or decide that the unwarranted seizure of property would be a great asset to it ? Will some future "President" decide that freedom of speech is inconvenient ?

The question isn't whether or not people need guns, it's whether or not people need the Bill of Rights. Much of the freedom and stability that we have enjoyed in this country for more than two centuries can be attributed to the strength and enduring value of the core guiding principles embodied by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Either we continue to stand for them, or we cease to be the same country.

This is the classic challenge, where does gun control equate to repealing the 2nd Amendment and outlawing guns?

The simple fact of the matter is, there are people out there that should not be able to legally own and operate a gun (most likely the same people should not be allowed to own and operate a vehicle)
I can't speak for everyone, but I will say for the tenth time on this thread, it should be more difficult to own a gun than to walk into a gun show, flash a drivers license, and walk out with a hand cannon 20 minutes later.

No one, and I repeat no one, is talking about repealing the 2nd amendment, it's a huge leap to say they are.

But the answer is not, and cannot be arm everybody. That just lends to the kill em all and let God sort em out mentality, which you might be fine with until you're the one that's killed.

And don't think for a second that if you own a gun you can prevent it, gun owners are as much a victim of murder as anyone else


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[sailsmen]

". It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that." - President Obama

 

[Mr. Man]

I was going to leave this thread alone, but couldn't.. In support of Ray's comments below, I would Two more things..... What about incidents where armed law abiding citizens have inserted themselves in situations and thwarted a crime/saved someones life????

Again the media never covers these situations with the same ferocity as they do, daily gun related violence that happens in every city in this country.

Second point.... The south as Ponyup has pointed out has more registered gun owners per capita...... Yet Chicago (& Gary), The "D", D.C./Baltimore, Oakland, L.V., STL. Are not in the south.... Sure we have N.O., ATL, Memphis, Miami+++ What does all this mean? In states/cities where there are very strict gun ordinances, there are still too many people being wounded/killed with guns......... The numbers don't really matter, because its beyond ridiculous..... Life is cheap these days... Do you want a Govt. that does not have your specific interest at heart, legislating the choices you have to determine how best to protect your family? You know the gun control lobby will never reach a point where they say, "that's enough legislation"..... The only way they will ever say that is for it to be illegal for citizens to have a gun of any kind. Period....... That's why every move has to be "checked' on both sides of the argument.

The real question for America...... How do we as a society prove the value of every human life, and how do we get young people to believe the life of another human is invaluable and sacred???? Gun legislation won't matter if this question is ever answered and communicated by the media, educators and parents..... JMHO.... Sorry for the vent... Just an opinionated concealed carry guy frustrated by a media fed society that lacks a worthy & honorable "code" between people(s). Maybe One day we will get there.... It certainly won't be legislated that's for sure....

Like you Mike I am late to the party but the answer seems fairly simple. Consequences...this is the term that has for some reason gone out of the American psych.

Used to be you did something bad and there was a consequence for it now there's an excuse. We live in a touchy feely country now and we are willing to make excuses for bad behavior.

My answer to the gun control argument would be have as many guns as you want I don't care. Commit a crime with a gun your gone forever, no 3 strikes rule, no mommy didn't hug me as a child, no I'm only 13 so I get out in 5 years. If you are convicted by your peers in court your gone, no bail, no parole, no I'm dying and I have 3 months to live, GONE.

This will also cut down on many other policing problems as well.

 

[PonyUP]

". It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that." - President Obama

Thank you for copy and pasting something that has nothing to do with the conversation, it's very helpful.

I now understand your posts

1) someone mentions guns- copy and paste redistribution of wealth

2) someone mentions budget or fiscal cliff- copy and paste something about the GDP

3) somebody calls me out on my copy and paste- ignore, copy and paste more


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[guspech750]

When my Father inlaw was fire chief of a nearby town. The village trustees wanted to get rid of the police all together and arm the firemen and play both rolls. After that didn't fly. The. village trustees still wanted to arm the firemen. It never happened. And At that time I thought it was crazy. But after reading about the firemen shot few days ago. Perhaps it's not a bad idea.

Criminals won't stop at anything. Laws do not apply to them. Look at what Timothy McVeigh did. Fertilizer and Nitromethane are not banned.


Never forget.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."



Go ahead and ban all you want. Then sooner or later a Hunger Games like society will begin. It's not out of the realm of possibilities of that happening when people can not defend the rights of human beings against an overbearing government. It's happened in mankinds past and it will happen again if people keep wanting more and more government controls.

Let the games begin.


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[cat in the hat]

This is the classic challenge, where does gun control equate to repealing the 2nd Amendment and outlawing guns?

The simple fact of the matter is, there are people out there that should not be able to legally own and operate a gun (most likely the same people should not be allowed to own and operate a vehicle)
I can't speak for everyone, but I will say for the tenth time on this thread, it should be more difficult to own a gun than to walk into a gun show, flash a drivers license, and walk out with a hand cannon 20 minutes later.

No one, and I repeat no one, is talking about repealing the 2nd amendment, it's a huge leap to say they are.

But the answer is not, and cannot be arm everybody. That just lends to the kill em all and let God sort em out mentality, which you might be fine with until you're the one that's killed.

And don't think for a second that if you own a gun you can prevent it, gun owners are as much a victim of murder as anyone else


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Yes, they are. This is just a few I felt like pasting in, there are hundreds.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/25/opinion/doc50da6bf91b59c189927470.txt

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news...cle_e169ed88-d60c-11e1-b8db-001a4bcf887a.html

http://www.economist.com/news/leade...fference-small-measures-can-help-bit-newtowns

http://www.examiner.com/article/repeal-the-second-amendment?cid=rss

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...d-amendment-strict-gun-possession-laws-people

 

[PonyUP]

Yes, they are. This is just a few I felt like pasting in, there are hundreds.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/25/opinion/doc50da6bf91b59c189927470.txt

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news...cle_e169ed88-d60c-11e1-b8db-001a4bcf887a.html

http://www.economist.com/news/leade...fference-small-measures-can-help-bit-newtowns

http://www.examiner.com/article/repeal-the-second-amendment?cid=rss

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...d-amendment-strict-gun-possession-laws-people

And that's the problem with the Internet, everybody can google links to support their decision, I just refuse to do it.

There has been zero pieces of legislation to repeal the second amendment.


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[guspech750]

Be careful of what you wish for from the government. You will never get it back. And then the slide down the slippery slope starts and never stops. Look around the rest of the world. People are not free.

Where do they want to go? They want to come to the USA.

So go ahead and start the path down the slippery slope towards banning this and banning that and eventually leads to getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Once that is gone. Our government can literally throw the constitution in to the dumpster out back and write up all new laws since there would be nothing the once most free people could do or say about it.

It's already happened in many countries around the world.


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[cat in the hat]

And that's the problem with the Internet, everybody can google links to support their decision, I just refuse to do it.

There has been zero pieces of legislation to repeal the second amendment.


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You said that no one is talking about repealing the 2nd Ammendment.

I showed you that a whole lot of people are, in fact, talking about that exact thing.

My bad.

 

[PonyUP]

You said that no one is talking about repealing the 2nd Ammendment.

I showed you that a whole lot of people are, in fact, talking about that exact thing.

My bad.

Okay, allow me to be direct, no one with any kind of power, meaning elected officials, is trying to repeal the second amendment. But that is the NRAs and conservatives favorite rallying call. "Oh my God, they want to change gun laws, they are trying to prevent us from forming a militia to prevent a tyranistic government from taking over."

What I find amusing is the interpretation if the second amendment. It was written during a time where no one could possibly foresee the future. It was written to legalize our rebellion from Britain, it was not written so that the guy that flunked out of 6th grade with a meth problem could buy a gun. And yet, provided he had no criminal record a meth addict could do exactly that.

I'm sorry but there is zero argument you can make, or zero links you can copy and paste that will make me believe we don't need deeper restrictions and background checks on people buying guns. And law abiding citizens that should own guns should have zero problem with it.

Answer this without googling, shouldn't be harder to get a gun than a fishing license? Or a drivers license for that matter?


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[GAMike]

Brad..... The fact that these discussions are out there... That the media is promoting them means that there are discussions on Capital Hill about these very things....... If it ever reaches the floor it would tear this country apart...... If Obama or any other President seeks to circumvent the traditional process (like he did with Obamacare) LOOKOUT! Just sayin.....

You are reasonable... I am (somewhat) The people advocating either side of this argument in the halls of power, are not....... There is NO end game for them other than a 100% swing of the pendulum to their side of the argument....... Neither is right. Neither will stop. The issue makes strides based on what Cat in the Hat said..... Government fearing its citizens, or Citizens fearing our Govt......

Mr. Man- I am onboard with your choices and consiquences theory. There are still too many young people tho, that either don't think or don't care that rational action by folks like us will not effect...... A shame, but true..

And that's the problem with the Internet, everybody can google links to support their decision, I just refuse to do it.

There has been zero pieces of legislation to repeal the second amendment.


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[sailsmen]

To obtain the Goal of banning guns the Second Amendment does not have to be repealed. There are lots of "common sense regulations" the Gov't can pass to obtain the Goal of banning Guns for the common folks.
The most basic right is the right of self defense. There are those in power who believe the individual has no rights, that all rights are vested with the Gov't.
The first 3 steps to tyranny are 1) divide into groups, 2) give some groups more rights than other groups and 3) disarm the population.

A friend who was in the military for 20 years and recently retired told me 3 months before retirement he was sent a survey asking him if he would confiscate legally owned guns from USA citizens. He refused to complete the survey. He also said during the past 2 years they conducted war games against the USA Civilian population.

After Katrina NOPD entered peoples homes with out a warrant, searched and confiscated legally owned guns.

 

[cat in the hat]

Okay, allow me to be direct, no one with any kind of power, meaning elected officials, is trying to repeal the second amendment. But that is the NRAs and conservatives favorite rallying call. "Oh my God, they want to change gun laws, they are trying to prevent us from forming a militia to prevent a tyranistic government from taking over."

What I find amusing is the interpretation if the second amendment. It was written during a time where no one could possibly foresee the future. It was written to legalize our rebellion from Britain, it was not written so that the guy that flunked out of 6th grade with a meth problem could buy a gun. And yet, provided he had no criminal record a meth addict could do exactly that.

I'm sorry but there is zero argument you can make, or zero links you can copy and paste that will make me believe we don't need deeper restrictions and background checks on people buying guns. And law abiding citizens that should own guns should have zero problem with it.

Answer this without googling, shouldn't be harder to get a gun than a fishing license? Or a drivers license for that matter?

1. The editorial boards of prominent newspapers and magazines may not have the direct legislative power of elected officials, but they are extremely powerful nevertheless. Things don't begin with legislative action, they build up to it.

2. The 2nd Ammendment has been interpreted to mean exactly what it says by the US Supreme Court many, many times. I understand that it was written a long time ago, and now a lot of people don't like what it says, but that's what it says. It's not like the Bible, where you can pick and choose the parts that suit you (as guaranteed by the 1st Ammendment), it's a legal document.

3. Interestingly enough, the US Constitution does not specifically guarantee you the right to go fishing, or drive a car, or watch TV, or pick your nose. It does, however, specifically guarantee you the right to own a gun. Go figure.

4. All of these mass shootings are committed by people with deep mental problems. Mental health records are considered to be confidential medical records and are not available to the Police; also, obviously, even if a person is a raving lunatic, if they've never been diagnosed or treated there are no records to check. If you can figure out a way to account for this, without abrogating the rights that the citizens of this country guaranteed to themselves when they founded it, I have zero problems with it.

 

[rayjay]

IMHO, if the 2nd Amendment is repealed, the 4th Amendment will be suspended to allow implementaton. You won't get either back. Welcome to Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. -or- the start of the 2nd revolution. The sheeple in the socom bastions will lay down, the remainder will rise up. A divided country ripe for the picking.

 

[sailsmen]

Be careful of what you wish for from the government. You will never get it back. And then the slide down the slippery slope starts and never stops. Look around the rest of the world. People are not free.

Where do they want to go? They want to come to the USA.

So go ahead and start the path down the slippery slope towards banning this and banning that and eventually leads to getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Once that is gone. Our government can literally throw the constitution in to the dumpster out back and write up all new laws since there would be nothing the once most free people could do or say about it.

It's already happened in many countries around the world.


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But they are smarter than all those, (Russians, Chinese, Koreans, Germans, Cubans, Italians), who go it wrong when they "ruled" their people.

 

[GAMike]

A friend who was in the military for 20 years and recently retired told me 3 months before retirement he was sent a survey asking him if he would confiscate legally owned guns from USA citizens. He refused to complete the survey. He also said during the past 2 years they conducted war games against the USA Civilian population. Have also heard about these so called "war games"

After Katrina NOPD entered peoples homes with out a warrant, searched and confiscated legally owned guns.

With regards to NOPD entering homes...... Where they occupied, or abandoned Sail? Was it actually NOPD, or Contractors.... National Guard?
Ray Nagin set that entire city up for failure:shake:. He had no playbook despite all the warning signs. Because of this we will never know the full extent of the many abuses of power and conversely the many instances of heroism that actually occurred in NO.... Yet we are expected at times to have an inordinate amount of faith in politicians.......

 

[sailsmen]

NOPD and the "National Guard" illegally took lawfully owned guns from citizens by illegally searching their occupied home and off their person.
There were "National Guards" from other states where guns are essentially banned and they were confiscating guns.
The NRA took legal action against New Orleans to stop it and the City Atty was held in contempt because the City refused to comply.

I used to frequent Cooter Browns. I know lots of Liberals who became firm believers in the Second Amendment as a result of Katrina and who have exercised their right.

Uptown businesses rebound from Katrina's chaos
By Richard A. Webster Staff Writer “City Business”
2005-10-01 5:54 PM CST

NEW ORLEANS - After 32 chaotic days of desolation and darkness, clashes with armed gangs of looters and long hours spent repairing damage from the bruising blows of Hurricane Katrina, Art Depodesta reopened his restaurant at Cooter Brown’s on Thursday evening.
Paul Cosma, owner of the neighboring Uptown Auto Specialists, said despite New Orleans "ghost town" status business at Cooter Brown’s has been brisk.
"All the SWAT guys and cops from out of town are coming in," Cosma said. "Last night 30 of them came by in an hour. But who knows what’s going to happen in the long run. It’s the whole uncertainty of everything. None of us know what's going to happen."
Depodesta said all he can do is get his place up and running and hope for the best.
"The colleges are a big part of our business so without them it will definitely hurt," Depodesta said. "This was going to be a record year for us … but if we can hold out until after the first of the year business will pick up again."
Depodesta pays $30,000 a year for insurance and $5,500 a month in utilities, but he said it is the rising price of gas that has him most worried.
"Everything comes in by truck and if they have to pay more for gas the delivery prices go up which means I could have to jack the price of a burger up to $10 and if that happens no one gets paid," Depodesta said.
The structural damage to the Cooter Brown’s building was limited though the roof peeled off directly above Depodesta’s newly renovated second floor apartment. He and Cosma patched it up only to have Hurricane Rita undo all of their work.
The real damage occurred inside the restaurant’s freezers, Cosma said.
"Can you imagine $20,000 worth of oysters, roasts, pastramis, hams, burgers, chickens and every kind of food you have at a restaurant like that? Can you imagine freezers full of this kind of food gone bad? It was pretty rude."
Depodesta and Cosma sprayed the freezers with bleach using a pump sprayer, then pressure washed them. After all of that work, two of the freezers blew up when the electricity returned.
Due to the loss of his freezers and a limited staff, Cosma said Depodesta will offer a limited menu.
"He'll be doing a limited menu only because many of his workers don't even have a place to live so he can’t bring his whole crew in,” Cosma said. "I loaned him my truck so he can make food runs out to his suppliers in Harahan."
It has been hard work repairing and rebuilding his business but nothing compared to what took place in the aftermath of Katrina, said Depodesta.
Protecting the store
The trouble started almost immediately after Katrina passed, even before the first Uptown businesses rebound from Katrina's chaos
By Richard A. Webster Staff Writer “City Business”
2005-10-01 5:54 PM CST

NEW ORLEANS - After 32 chaotic days of desolation and darkness, clashes with armed gangs of looters and long hours spent repairing damage from the bruising blows of Hurricane Katrina, Art Depodesta reopened his restaurant at Cooter Brown’s on Thursday evening.
Paul Cosma, owner of the neighboring Uptown Auto Specialists, said despite New Orleans "ghost town" status business at Cooter Brown’s has been brisk.
"All the SWAT guys and cops from out of town are coming in," Cosma said. "Last night 30 of them came by in an hour. But who knows what’s going to happen in the long run. It’s the whole uncertainty of everything. None of us know what's going to happen."
Depodesta said all he can do is get his place up and running and hope for the best.
"The colleges are a big part of our business so without them it will definitely hurt," Depodesta said. "This was going to be a record year for us … but if we can hold out until after the first of the year business will pick up again."
Depodesta pays $30,000 a year for insurance and $5,500 a month in utilities, but he said it is the rising price of gas that has him most worried.
"Everything comes in by truck and if they have to pay more for gas the delivery prices go up which means I could have to jack the price of a burger up to $10 and if that happens no one gets paid," Depodesta said.
The structural damage to the Cooter Brown’s building was limited though the roof peeled off directly above Depodesta’s newly renovated second floor apartment. He and Cosma patched it up only to have Hurricane Rita undo all of their work.

 

[sailsmen]

The real damage occurred inside the restaurant’s freezers, Cosma said.
"Can you imagine $20,000 worth of oysters, roasts, pastramis, hams, burgers, chickens and every kind of food you have at a restaurant like that? Can you imagine freezers full of this kind of food gone bad? It was pretty rude."
Depodesta and Cosma sprayed the freezers with bleach using a pump sprayer, then pressure washed them. After all of that work, two of the freezers blew up when the electricity returned.
Due to the loss of his freezers and a limited staff, Cosma said Depodesta will offer a limited menu.
"He'll be doing a limited menu only because many of his workers don't even have a place to live so he can’t bring his whole crew in,” Cosma said. "I loaned him my truck so he can make food runs out to his suppliers in Harahan."
It has been hard work repairing and rebuilding his business but nothing compared to what took place in the aftermath of Katrina, said Depodesta.
Protecting the store
The trouble started almost immediately after Katrina passed, even before the first levee broke.
After the heaviest winds died to a breeze, Depodesta and Cosma drove to the St. Charles Tavern on St. Charles Avenue - armed with guns to defend themselves.
"Paul had his Sig and I had my .45," Depodesta said. "We're all strapped up and the guys in the Tavern are handing us beers through the window. They had their weapons out, too."
And that’s when Depodesta said he saw them — stolen cars tearing up and down St. Charles Avenue packed with masked men pointing guns at innocent people stumbling down sidewalks in search of information.
"Besides the flooding the biggest problem we had were these idiots after the storm," Depodesta said. "They were like animals. The cops are trying to rescue people and these idiots are going around shooting people. There aren’t enough cops to begin with and they don’t get paid anything anyway so they couldn’t help. The one thing I learned was don’t count on anyone but yourself. And never go to a shelter."
Depodesta and Cosma returned to their businesses and prepared for the worst. It wasn't long before gangs of thugs appeared on Carrollton Avenue.
"They started coming down the street and when they got close I let loose with a 12 gauge and they went running," Depodesta said. "One guy came back in a truck with a gun but we had the drop on him. I had a buddy here with an HK and I had my 12 gauge. When the guy in the truck saw that he decided he didn’t want to play anymore. Let’s just put it that way."
Things proceeded to get weirder, Depodesta said.
"They stole a damn forklift, drove it down to Rite Aid and lifted open the gates. Me and Paul went down there and cut all of the wires out of it. The last thing I want is a guy driving around here with a forklift."
A few days after the storm, Cosma grabbed a pair of bolt cutters from a suspected looter.
"First the kid said it was his uncle’s, then he said he was going to come back and shoot us," Depodesta said. "I said, 'Go ahead man. It’s like martial law. In fact there is no law so come on back here because I know damn well I’m a better shot than you and have better weapons.' I made it through the storm and had no flooding and then I got to watch some animals tear apart the place I built? I don’t think so."
When the military arrived four days after Katrina made landfall, Depodesta said they attempted to confiscate his weapons.
"I made it clear that wasn’t going to happen and they left me alone."
Return to normal?
Cosma re-opened Uptown Auto Specialists on Monday. There was a lot of debris to be cleaned up but no structural damage.
With the hundreds of broken down and waterlogged vehicles scattered around New Orleans, it would appear that auto repair shops are primed for a banner season, but Cosma said that may not be the case.
"It could be a total bust this time," he said. "All these cars have been sitting around in this (stuff) for so long. Typically when we have a storm cars are maybe two days in the water and you get them drug in and we take them apart immediately. But these cars have been sitting in the water or been wet for a month. A lot more cars are going to be totaled than in previous times."
Cosma, however, said his most pressing concern is providing financially for the 10 people he employs.
"As an employer you’re responsible for all of your employees so how would you feel as an employer if you couldn't provide to your employees what you promised when you hired them? I feel like (crap). I’m responsible for 10 people and there's only so much I can do.
"We're coming back and we'll see what happens but if there's no business I'll have to let them go. But I don't foresee that happening and I don't want to do that to happen because it's hard to get good employees. The toughest thing is I've been in business for over 20 years and I don't know what's going to happen."

 

[sailsmen]

For the deniers, listen to Brian Williams interview 5 years latter, particularly the 7 minute mark, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asYWzCHNQKs
"State Troopers had to cover us by aiming at the man in the street..."

Several of my relatives got out by joining the caravan Brian Wiliams refers to.

 

[PonyUP]

IMHO, if the 2nd Amendment is repealed, the 4th Amendment will be suspended to allow implementaton. You won't get either back. Welcome to Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. -or- the start of the 2nd revolution. The sheeple in the socom bastions will lay down, the remainder will rise up. A divided country ripe for the picking.

Agreed Ray, however we have been losing constitutional freedoms for some time in the name of safety. Look at the travel industry following 9/11.
The constitution was set so that it could be altered and grow through time through amendments.
I don't want good people to lose their right to bear arms, but I think we all can agree that there are some people that should not be allowed to own a gun, and I feel we need to put policies in place to try out best to detect those people.
Reducing mag capacity or banning assault rifles is nonsense and will do nothing to curb the problem
We have to dig into the background and mental facilities of those buying the guns.
Will it prevent crime? No. Will it stop spree killings? No, but it will make it more difficult.
What I struggle with, is everyone of these spree killings has been done with a legally purchased gun by either the shooter themselves, or through direct relatives. Surely we can do something about that without infringing on a good persons right to bear arms.


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