Faux Carbon Fiber cover not for me...

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vkirkend said:
I'm sorry if someone dosen't like the price of something being offered. But I see this problem at the grocery store, gas station, etc.... You yourself have the responsibility to decide if you are willing to pat the price for something you want or walk away. Unless Dennis holds a gun to your head and steals your wallet you can just walk away. There are alot of things for sale on this site I would love to have but am unwilling to part with good money to pay for. That does not make the people selling the merchadise liars or frauds. That only happens if the product is marketed with a claim that can not be validated.
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Good Post.
Now lets get back to loving this awesome Car!
 
If you think the carbon fiber stuff is ugly or too expensive, just don't buy it. It's that simple. If Dennis Reinhart wants to begin selling giant four foot tall pink plush bunny rabbits with "MARAUDER" stitched on them, that's fine with me. I won't buy one, but some might.

I have made several purchases from DR. Always receive the items I order promptly. Only had one minor issue, it was rectified promptly after I called and spoke to him by phone.

Let's all take a cold shower!
 
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ckadiddle said:
If Dennis Reinhart wants to begin selling giant four foot tall pink plush bunny rabbits with "MARAUDER" stitched on them, that's fine with me.
Let's all take a cold shower!
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Well, you KNOW I want one of those!!!

:bunny2: :bunny2: :bunny2: :bunny2:
 
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LV you are the first Member to ever gain the "ignore list" status.

Look at my sig, all my performance mods have been purchased from Dennis.

With out Dennis interest in the Marauder many of the mods available today we would not have.

The FBI and FHP, plus numerous other Sherriffs office have done business w/ Dennis.
 
So then why do people dislike him? Seriously, I'm just asking here...If there is more than one person that dislikes him, there has to be a reason, right? So rather than saying he is great and all that, why doesn't someone chime in a negative experience and then the people that praise Dennis, can explain?

My point...

If someone dislikes him or the way he conducts business, speak up! include dates and actual events and not "Opinions." Why? Because the thread is still going and maybe we can sort this out now and that will be the end of it.

I praise the admins for letting this thread continue on, so okay we've gotten some bashing across, now lets get down to business and put the cards on the table and skip the B.S. :shake:

My intent isn't to stir the pot, but to make real use of this thread since someone brought it all up anyways. Let's get it over with...
 
RR|Suki said:
Your logic is flawed, his interest is not in working anything out with Reinhart, his point is to inform the Marauder comunity of what he believes to be the pedling of worthless products, and cutting into other people's attempts to provide products for this comunity. Seems to me his "agenda" is to voice his opinion on things he found rediculous, not sure how PMs would help since he was trying to address everyone. If you look at it in an objective light, this is quite clear.
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Jeez, I hope you never practice law! There's a world of difference between "offering an opinion" and making slanderous and libelous charges. Whether a product that was clearly advertised as being cosmetic in nature is "worthless" or not is in the eye of the purchaser, after all. Accusing someone of fraud, slandering them and their name and business in public... that goes waaaaaaay beyond an opinion, those are accusations that had better be backed up with facts... so unless your logic is flawed and LV can produce the receipts and books of Mr Reinhart's business, showing that he has committed "fraud", he's seriously on the wrong side of the line.
 
I guess this thread can put to rest the Hot MCM topic of how Reinhart is worshipped and praised over here and there will be no mud slinging towards him cause he owns a tiny bit of it.
 
Mad4Macs said:
Jeez, I hope you never practice law! There's a world of difference between "offering an opinion" and making slanderous and libelous charges. Whether a product that was clearly advertised as being cosmetic in nature is "worthless" or not is in the eye of the purchaser, after all. Accusing someone of fraud, slandering them and their name and business in public... that goes waaaaaaay beyond an opinion, those are accusations that had better be backed up with facts... so unless your logic is flawed and LV can produce the receipts and books of Mr Reinhart's business, showing that he has committed "fraud", he's seriously on the wrong side of the line.
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Beautiful. I hope DR sues him. His mommy's pockets are most undoubtedly deep enough.
 
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This thread was posted with a ton of emotion behind it...

I understand LV's feelings about the subject and I do agree that the CF cover is pretty lame, but I think it was wrong to attack DR's business proposal in that way. I would like to think that LV has had many other issues building up inside of him and that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I went through a situation like that with BillyGman a few years ago. I just exploded one day on the poor guy. Oh well. It was wrong of me and I should've gone about it a different way, but I didn't. We hashed it out and that was the end of it.

Some things for ALL of you to keep in mind:

#1 - Cut LV some slack, lots of people here have had outbursts in the past...
#2 - Dennis has done a lot for us, and it is appreciated.
#3 - Many people don't like Dennis' method of performing business...
#4 - Many people do like Dennis and his business.


I'm not backing either side... I have had issues with Dennis in the past, but I also like him as a person. I can also identify with LV.

Let's let them hash it out on the phone or PM's.
 
Wow, spend a day on the road and come back to see this...

I've got a couple of thoughts on this thread.

First, the original thread was locked because I sent Dennis a link to an old thread about the original CF radiator cover GP. From that thread he learned that he was mistaken on the price that Kelly paid for the cover he had. Kelly did spend over $700, as DR stated. But he got 3 of them, and they weren't the CF version they were just fiberglass because he wanted to paint them. The orignal GP price was $250 for the CF ones, about 2 years ago. The manufacturer lost money on them and it took a lot of aggravation to get them to finish the project. Some orders may not have ever been filled, refunds may have been issued. IF they were to make another run of the true CF ones, I would imagine the cost would be around $400.

As for the comments by LV, totally uncalled for. The title of the thread is slanderous and cowardly. Call somebody out over the internet? Complaining about somebody offering a product for sale that he doesn't see the need for? Who is he to decide for everybody else what is a "performance" mod. Some people think going fast, stopping quick, or high G cornering mean performance, others think getting a trophy in a car show is high performance. How many MM owners have powder coated valve covers and intake manifolds? And have never had their Marauder on a track? If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think it's too expensive, try to find it elsewhere for less. A b*tch session like this can kill a product offering that others may be interested in. How about somebody who wants to send in all their dot-matrix interior panels for the fake carbon fiber treatment.

As for Dennis' business practices, some of the biggest complainers are not even the involved customer. If a customer has a problem with something Dennis has done, take it up with Dennis and he will do his best to make it right. I've seen it with other MM owners and experienced it myself. I've seen complaints voiced about pre-payment on a GP, but there are other GP offerings going on right now with other vendors, payments have been made and no products delivered. So why is it so terrible for Dennis to do it when it seems to be a standard, accepted practice?
 
Constable said:
Some things for ALL of you to keep in mind:

#1 - Cut LV some slack, lots of people here have had outbursts in the past...
#2 - Dennis has done a lot for us, and it is appreciated.
#3 - Many people don't like Dennis' method of performing business...
#4 - Many people do like Dennis and his business.
Let's let them hash it out on the phone or PM's.
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+1
However, on some occasions when you place the call to get some info or to clear up a issue, you sometimes get the run around or lied to. There are some people that have had flawless experiences and others that have stories. This isnt just coming from the Marauder community.
One brave sole (LV) went ahead and risked being banned to speak what some feel, Cut him some slack for that.
We have a lot of new members joining and if a business has a bad reputation of not doing right by a number of members, Wouldnt it be the right thing to do to let them know before they plunk down their hard earned cash and have a problem? Maybe if more info and stories were told it would improve business practices and relations on both sides.
 
FordNut said:
As for the comments by LV, totally uncalled for. The title of the thread is slanderous and cowardly. Call somebody out over the internet? Complaining about somebody offering a product for sale that he doesn't see the need for? Who is he to decide for everybody else what is a "performance" mod. Some people think going fast, stopping quick, or high G cornering mean performance, others think getting a trophy in a car show is high performance. How many MM owners have powder coated valve covers and intake manifolds? And have never had their Marauder on a track? If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think it's too expensive, try to find it elsewhere for less. A b*tch session like this can kill a product offering that others may be interested in. How about somebody who wants to send in all their dot-matrix interior panels for the fake carbon fiber treatment.
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Well put Sir!! WE (Partners) left this thread open. No one is hiding anything. There are lots of "items" members have on their cars and I never say anything but good words. My car is stock except for sway bars (Dennis) and control arm (M&Z) window tint, remote start, heated seats, lower stripe, front & rear badge. Some members have told me they would not even do what I did? Everyone of these cars hasm a personal touch. BY OWNER!!
Live and let live:)
 
"Maybe if more info and stories were told it would improve business practices and relations on both sides."

All LV did was bad mouth Dennis.

LV did not state any facts, only his own presonal opinions. I suspect LV did so because Dennis responded to a comment LV made.

It would be the equivalent of me saying LV was an !@##$%%,!@$% based on the fact that I did not like his avatar.

"Just the facts".
 
sailsmen said:
"Maybe if more info and stories were told it would improve business practices and relations on both sides."

All LV did was bad mouth Dennis.

LV did not state any facts, only his own presonal opinions. I suspect LV did so because Dennis responded to a comment LV made.

It would be the equivalent of me saying LV was an !@##$%%,!@$% based on the fact that I did not like his avatar.

"Just the facts".
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Exactly.
DR put forward a product, that's all. In no way did he lie about what it was, either. If he had said "I've got this great carbon fiber component", then shipped you a steel one, now that would be a lie and fraudulent.
No one here gives a flying leap whether or not LV think's it's "lame", he came out and accused a company of commiting fraud. In effect, he lied about DR's business practices.
What he did was so far out in left field, it's flippin' spooky.
 
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