SC Cheesehead
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What the heck kind of convoluted statement is that?
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What the heck kind of convoluted statement is that?
Dr Caleb
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Nouns, adverbs. Punctuation.
Dr Caleb
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On that we disagree. The Canadian governement heavily regulates the Banking industry for example. In the last few years they were unsuccessfully lobbied by interest groups who wanted to create all sorts of shady 'investment' vehicles and do all sorts of 'mergers'. As a result of this latest crisis, we have had to bail out our banks to the tune of $0.
Sometimes business needs regulations, or bad things happen. The government it there to protect the citizens. Companies are free to make whatever they want, but there is no 'right to make profit' in the Constitution of either of our countries. But there is a right to 'safety and security'.
If needed, why not? Some people don't have the self control that others do. They text while driving, drive drunk, ride on the outside of a moving vehicle, eat fatty foods and get no exercise. Sometimes they need a push in a certain direction.
I don't know why some people need to be legislated to stop doing what is bad for them; but they do.
I quite agree, I am all about personal responsibility. But I can also understand why certain things are required of vehicles. Seat belts, for example. I'd love to rebuild a Leopard tank, and drive it to work, but the damage to the roads that my taxes pay for would be astronomical. I can understand a regulation that prevents me and everyone else from doing that. If I didn't like it, I am free to buy property and build my own road to do as I please.
I can also understand minimum fuel economy standards, when that fuel is itself a danger to the safety and well being of citizens. It's a little pain now, or a lot of pain later.
I thought we agree, people lack personal responsibility? And what does that have to do with a dictatorship?
SC Cheesehead
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Originally Posted by Dr Caleb
Sounds to me like the Government is doing what it is supposed to, by lowing fuel usage and not sending more money than necessary to people using it to try to kill you; it is trying to protect it's citizens from harm. And the free market decided that it's not economical to retool it's product to meet that same standard. I still don't see where the many headed demon 'socialism' enters into it.
What the heck kind of convoluted statement is that?
Yeah, the only thing missing is logic....
Originally Posted by Dr Caleb
Sounds to me like the Government is doing what it is supposed to, by lowing fuel usage and not sending more money than necessary to people using it to try to kill you; it is trying to protect it's citizens from harm. And the free market decided that it's not economical to retool it's product to meet that same standard. I still don't see where the many headed demon 'socialism' enters into it.
What the heck kind of convoluted statement is that?
Yeah, the only thing missing is logic....
Dr Caleb
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What the heck kind of convoluted statement is that?
Yeah, the only thing missing is logic....
Seems pretty straight forward.
You import oil because there is not enough domestic production to meet your needs; some of that oil (the cheapest) comes from the middle east.
http://www.meforum.org/934/does-saudi-arabia-fund-terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Victor...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208199699&sr=1-1
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DCH109A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
So, in order to make citizens safer, you need to use less imported oil.
A -> B -> C
SC Cheesehead
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What is the function of govermment?
"Government has three purposes:
NOTE: Regulating the &*$# out of people's choices, the economy, etc. because "government knows what's best for all of us" is not within the scope of either a republic or a democracy.
The form of government you refer to, ""A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)" has another name: fascism
"Government has three purposes:
- Provide for the common defense (against external threats)
- Provide for the enforcement of contracts
- Coin money to support trade
- The function of government is to protect individual rights.
- Defense - a nation which does not control its borders is not a nation
- Enforcing contracts ... ever see how contracts get enforced when the courts do not have jurisdiction? Think gang-shootings and knee-capping.
- Coin money ... try taking 400 bushels of $4 corn to the stereo shop"
NOTE: Regulating the &*$# out of people's choices, the economy, etc. because "government knows what's best for all of us" is not within the scope of either a republic or a democracy.
The form of government you refer to, ""A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)" has another name: fascism
Dr Caleb
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ROFL.
One definition of 'Facism' is when the rights of a Corporation override the rights of a Citizen. Exactly what you are advocating. I'll wait here while you look it up.
Ok, I'll do the work for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Franklin_D._Roosevelt
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
You're right Caleb, I give up.
All companies are evil, whose sole pupose is to gather in huge profits at the expense of all else; and I as an individual, am too dumb or undisciplined to be able to think or decide for myself, thus, only government can save, a fact of which I am either unaware or ungrateful.
Maybe I should move to Canada where the "truly enlightened" live.
All companies are evil, whose sole pupose is to gather in huge profits at the expense of all else; and I as an individual, am too dumb or undisciplined to be able to think or decide for myself, thus, only government can save, a fact of which I am either unaware or ungrateful.
Maybe I should move to Canada where the "truly enlightened" live.
Dr Caleb
Vendi Vidi Velcro
You're right Caleb, I give up.
All companies are evil, whose sole pupose is to gather in huge profits at the expense of all else; and I as an individual, am too dumb or undisciplined to be able to think or decide for myself, thus, only government can save, a fact of which I am either unaware or ungrateful.
Maybe I should move to Canada where the "truly enlightened" live.
Yes, and while you are packing up, I'll try to figure out why you always get pissed off at me when we try to have a rational discussion using things like facts.
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
I smell Ph.D. (piled higher and deeper)
I think someone drank the kool-aid
(s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t)
P.S. Is it true his name is really Barry Soetoro??? :beatnik:
(Do an Internet search...this is serious)
Cassidy
No sense trying to rationalize with him Cassidy, we're just two of the "dumb masses" that naively believe capitalism is superior to socialism. Perhaps some day we'll learn.
I just hope it's not in my lifetime.
SC Cheesehead
'God Speed Blues Brother'
Capitalism and socialism aren't opposites. Of the G8 Countries, 7 are 'socialist'.
Why do you resist?
Caleb, you're starting to sound like a Borg....:lol:
Dr Caleb
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We only want to improve the quality of life for everyone!
SC Cheesehead
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Dr Caleb
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Yes, another article to keep you scared. Like I said, of the G-8 (top 8 economic) countries currently meting in Italy, only 1 is not Socialist. That is the USofA.
http://www.g8italia2009.it/G8/G8-G8_Layout_locale-1199882116809_Home.htm
And, my quote was a reference to Picard/Locutus speaking to Worf, in "The best of Both Worlds, Part 2"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Alpha_II
SC Cheesehead
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Is it possible (probable) that the "1 of 8" is the only country that really has it figured out? 
And yes, I picked up on the quote, I'm a Trekkie from waaaay back!
And yes, I picked up on the quote, I'm a Trekkie from waaaay back!
Dr Caleb
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Is it possible (probable) that the "1 of 8" is the only country that really has it figured out?
And yes, I picked up on the quote, I'm a Trekkie from waaaay back!
Or, the 'one' just has that memo in their 'inbox' still.
*whew* I was going to ask you to return your pocket protector at the door.
mercury_1988
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[URL="http://www.meforum.org/934/does-saudi-arabia-fund-terrorism" said:
According to this link :
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/14/al-qaeda-cia-egg-chicken/