Health Care, Obama.....

LeoVampire said:
I called my doctor's offices to see if they had anything to say about this new bill vs my status with them seeing I have Medicare.

They told me not to worry about it and that they still expected me to go to my appointments and let them deal with medicare.

So I guess I have to wait till the new info from Medicare is sent out to all of us before I have any real info about how the changes will effect me one way or the other.

I wonder how much that will cost them to send out all the new info to people like me and the doctors who take it?
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Most of the features of this bill will be phased in over the next 4 years. Some of the provisions don't kick in until 2014. All of the "guilty" parties will be long gone by the time most people figure out how they are gonna be impacted. By then it will be too late.
 
Bluerauder said:
Most of the features of this bill will be phased in over the next 4 years. Some of the provisions don't kick in until 2014. All of the "guilty" parties will be long gone by the time most people figure out how they are gonna be impacted. By then it will be too late.
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Kind of like with the wars on terrors.
 
I'm not on the right forum ... I just want to justify our Canadian Health system to my American Friends. You are afraid of change but give it a chance .Kenny is alive & not bankrupt. Major Infarct... 7 days in intensive care. in 98. 2 years later diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer ... I 'm still alive & going for bladder surgery on Apr.9 so I can be continent. NO charge to me & I did not have to sell my Marauder to get this done
 
Kennyrauder said:
I'm not on the right forum ... I just want to justify our Canadian Health system to my American Friends. You are afraid of change but give it a chance .Kenny is alive & not bankrupt. Major Infarct... 7 days in intensive care. in 98. 2 years later diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer ... I 'm still alive & going for bladder surgery on Apr.9 so I can be continent. NO charge to me & I did not have to sell my Marauder to get this done
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With all due respect Kenny, you ARE paying for it, via the GST on every purchase you make, which is on top of your taxed income.

I had two Canadian cousins that died while on lists awaiting treatment. Whether or not they were the victims of "rationed" healthcare is a matter of perspective, but I'm not sold on your system.
 
Coun -Pop GDP GDPperCap Bud BudperCap DebtoGDP
USA 307M $14.3T $46.4K $3.6T $11.73 52.9%

Can 33.5M $1.29T $38.4K $547M $16.33 72.3%

Canada's Debt to GDP is higher and the per capita gov't spending is $4,600 more per person. Me thinks healthcare is not free and does not cost less.
 
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Kennyrauder said:
....You are afraid of change but give it a chance .....
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Why do we want to change the greatest country in the World? Where people flock to from every country for economic opportunity and yes healtcare, including Canada's top politicians.

We are the greatest economic engine in the history of the World and we have liberated more people from tyranny than any other country in the history of the World.

Had we previously changed to be more like Europe Europeans would only be speaking German and Russian. Asians would only be speaking Japanese.
 
SC Cheesehead said:
C.Y.C.B.I...

"The end of freedom in medicine"
By 970 WFLA
Monday, March 29, 2010
TUCSON, Ariz. (970 WFLA) - The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) became the first medical society to sue to overturn the newly enacted health care bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). AAPS sued Friday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (AAPS v. Sebelius et al.).


“If the PPACA goes unchallenged, then it spells the end of freedom in medicine as we know it,” observed Jane Orient, M.D., the Executive Director of AAPS. “Courts should not allow this massive intrusion into the practice of medicine and the rights of patients.”


“There will be a dire shortage of physicians if the PPACA becomes effective and is not overturned by the courts.”


The PPACA requires most Americans to buy government-approved insurance starting in 2014, or face stiff penalties. Insurance company executives will be enriched by this requirement, but the AAPS says it violates the Fifth Amendment protection against the government forcing one person to pay cash to another. AAPS is the first to assert this important constitutional claim.


The PPACA also violates the Tenth Amendment, the Commerce Clause, and the provisions authorizing taxation, the AAPS says. The Taxing and Spending power cannot be invoked, as the premiums go to private insurance companies. The traditional sovereignty of the States over the practice of medicine is destroyed by the PPACA.


AAPS notes that in scoring the proposal the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) was bound by assumptions imposed by Congress, including the ability to “save” $500 billion in Medicare, and to redirect $50 billion from Social Security. HHS Secretary Sebelius stated that PPACA would reduce the federal deficit, knowing the opposite to be true if these assumptions are unrealistic.


AAPS asks the Court to enjoin the government from promulgating or enforcing insurance mandates and require HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue to provide the Court with an accounting of Medicare and Social Security solvency.


Congress recognized that PPACA cannot be funded without the insurance mandates, and will become unenforceable without them.


Court action is necessary “to preserve individual liberty” and “to prevent PPACA from bankrupting the United States generally and Medicare and Social Security specifically,” AAPS stated.

[URL]http://970wfla.com[/URL]
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Its clear from their website they are a front for the Teabagger groups. The AMA supported the legislation.
 
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Joe Walsh said:
Folks....Nothing more needs to be said on this subject after seeing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

....and she is the Speaker of the House!?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxE33lfTi_Y&feature=related

BTW: What's the difference between Nancy Pelosi an the Panama Canal...

One of them is a BUSY DITCH!
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Pelosi is a Maggot. Her approval rating is 11%. Even people who know her can't stand her. If you knew she were going to be at the family reunion you would make sure you were not there.:shake::shake:
 
Vortex said:
Its clear from their website they are a front for the Teabagger groups. The AMA supported the legislation.
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The AMA represents what % of Drs? 20%?

Why do you use a sexually derogatory remark? Would it be appropriate to refer to Liberals as "fags"?
 
Vortex said:
Its clear from their website they are a front for the Teabagger groups. The AMA supported the legislation.
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Perhaps the AMA executive board supported the legislation, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that there's a portion of the individual membership did not. I hear all about every night over the dinner table.

sailsmen said:
The AMA represents what % of Drs? 20%?

Why do you use a sexually derogatory remark? Would it be appropriate to refer to Liberals as "fags"?
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Not sure of the percentage, but whatever percentage is represented, their membership does not have unanimous support for Obamacare, as stated above.
 
Vortex said:
Its clear from their website they are a front for the Teabagger groups. The AMA supported the legislation.
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SC Cheesehead said:
Perhaps the AMA executive board supported the legislation, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that there's a portion of the individual membership did not. I hear all about every night over the dinner table.

Not sure of the percentage, but whatever percentage is represented, their membership does not have unanimous support for Obamacare, as stated above.
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AARP supported it too. I wonder how many of us cancelled our AARP membership as a result of that decision. The AARP did not represent their membership, they represented their administration. Just like the elected representatives in DC did.
 
FordNut said:
AARP supported it too. I wonder how many of us cancelled our AARP membership as a result of that decision. The AARP did not represent their membership, they represented their administration. Just like the elected representatives in DC did.
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I will not join AARP because they do not support gun ownership by civilians.
 
FordNut said:
AARP supported it too. I wonder how many of us cancelled our AARP membership as a result of that decision. The AARP did not represent their membership, they represented their administration. Just like the elected representatives in DC did.
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The numbers I heard was 60,000 cancelled AARP membership farly quick when they announced their support of Obamacare, I would think there would be more since, but they will still have a large membership. They are just a lefty lobbying group that sells insurance. The numbers on the AMA heard from 6 doctors were 17-20% of doctors are members.They are only a lobbying group that does not represent their membership. They are kind of like the UN that only represents dictators.
 
Of 149 Nations in the World only 37 are Democracies.

The UN is dominated by despots.

When people say the UN this and the UN that keep in mind the super majority are despots.
 
sailsmen said:
Coun -Pop GDP GDPperCap Bud BudperCap DebtoGDP
USA 307M $14.3T $46.4K $3.6T $11.73 52.9%

Can 33.5M $1.29T $38.4K $547M $16.33 72.3%

Canada's Debt to GDP is higher and the per capita gov't spending is $4,600 more per person. Me thinks healthcare is not free and does not cost less.
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Me thinks you balled Healthcare costs with all other Government spending, like roads and Military.

In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678; in the U.S., US$6,714. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 10.0%.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf

In 2006, 70% of health care spending in Canada was financed by government, versus 46% in the United States. Total government spending per capita in the U.S. on health care was 23% higher than Canadian government spending, and U.S. government expenditure on health care was just under 83% of total Canadian spending (public and private)

http://apps.who.int/whosis/database..._select=latest&fixed=country&language=english

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems

sailsmen said:
Of 149 Nations in the World only 37 are Democracies.

The UN is dominated by despots.

When people say the UN this and the UN that keep in mind the super majority are despots.
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There are 210 countries in the world, 167 are democracies. 192 nations are members of the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
http://www.worldaudit.org/statpage.htm

But I agree. When Libya became the head of the UN council on Human Rights, I concluded it's time to flush the UN.
 
The Budget per Capita figure means all spending. This figure was posted because I kept reading that healthcare was "free" in Canada.

The per capita GDP for Canada is lower and the per capita taxes are higher so something obviously is not "free".

What happens when the "Budget" is met and I need heart surgery, do I have to wait for the next fiscal year? How does your gov't know how many people will get sick and how much it will costs to cure them? Based on the size of the population the variances in the actuarial numbers can be significant.


Of 149 Nations with a population over 1m 37 are FREE DEMOCRACIES. (There are Nations with populations of 12K, 84K, etc.)

Lots of Nations hold elections and are not a "democracy".
 
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