May 19th Gas Out
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MarauderMike
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The only people we have to blame for this situation is the United States Congress. They have had more than 30 years since the 70's oil embargo to find new sources for oil foreign or domestic, and we know what they've done domestically. I'm not sure who the Wacko's really are, the enviormentalists or Congress?
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Patrick
Guest
Everything is going up, except my WAGES!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
MarauderMike said:
It doesn't seem like supply is the biggest issue at this time, more than the ability to refine it into the 13 million different formulations required all across the 13 million different regions in our country. Environmentalists are actually a huge chunk of the problem. Not only do they protest anytime there is a hint of putting up additional equipment and plants, but they try to do everything in their power to block our ability to search for new sources of oil as well. Many of the more radical enviro-nazi's are just clueless about how things run in the real world. Many of these guys won't be happy till families are trying to cram themselves into Prius', and buisness owners are towing their loads with Civic Hybrid's. However, congress does have a lot to blame over this...........
I also agree that we need to boycott specific brands as I feel that would be more effective than just boycotting a single day.
RF Overlord
73 is the best number.
Agent M79 said:
I can't speak for prchrman, but that is EXACTLY how I feel...when this whole price rip-off started a month or so ago, I thought it was a little early for the annual "screw the driving public cuz it's summer" increase...then the lies started...
[begin politically-motivated rant]I do feel taken advantage of, but I know it will never change as long as the current regime (Bush and his "big oil" cronies) stays in power...they're getting so rich off the backs of the American people that they have no incentive to fix it...[/end politically-motivated rant]
Dr Caleb
Vendi Vidi Velcro
woaface said:
Hydrogen derived from electrically splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen is not a fuel, it's a storage meduim. You store the electricity in the hydrogen and transport it somewhere else. Very ineffecient.
Ballard power has been doing some interesting work with fuel cells. One of the more recent advancements is: 1) grow corn 2) make alcohol from that corn 3) Use the leftover corn to feed animals 4) use a catalysation process to split the alcohol into hydrogen and oxygen + some long chain organic compounds. It uses very little electricity in the process.
The most expensive part of the process or making fuel grade alcohol is taking the excess water out of the mix. The hydrogen can be catalysed with the water in it - and works better this way.
So, you have a fuel cell at home (the catalysation works better for stationary locations) bring in a barrell of unprocessed alcohol and get electricity! use that to charge your electric vehicle, and sell some electricity back to the grid!
nslatin
Member
In the same vein but somewhat more logical...
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
Shell........................205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco........ 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway.. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco...................... 62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo....................0 barrels
Sunoco................0 barrels
Conoco................0 barrels
Sinclair................0 barrels
BP/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess...................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
they are importing. They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your
car; share it with friends. Stop paying for terrorism.............
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
Shell........................205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco........ 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway.. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco...................... 62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo....................0 barrels
Sunoco................0 barrels
Conoco................0 barrels
Sinclair................0 barrels
BP/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess...................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
they are importing. They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your
car; share it with friends. Stop paying for terrorism.............
Bluerauder
CAMaraudin' in Virginia
I could not have said that better. :up:RF Overlord said:
Mary may have a point. Looks like I may be visiting Sunoco and BP more often. I thought Sinclair was gone ... I don't think I have seen the old green dinosaur around for years. Maybe its a Virginia thing.
duhtroll
If it weren't for my horse...
2 questions:
1) BP (British Petroleum) purchased Amoco, so do they or do they not import?
2) What about those of us in BF Egypt who don't have major brands to choose from? I have one source of 93 in town. Period. It's ethanol so it's a bit cheaper than a big name, but even it is like $2.07 per gallon now. And many stations don't even sell higher than 89 octane to save prices.
I ask because I want to know if they are required to tell us where their gas is coming from.
Thanks,
-A
1) BP (British Petroleum) purchased Amoco, so do they or do they not import?
2) What about those of us in BF Egypt who don't have major brands to choose from? I have one source of 93 in town. Period. It's ethanol so it's a bit cheaper than a big name, but even it is like $2.07 per gallon now. And many stations don't even sell higher than 89 octane to save prices.
I ask because I want to know if they are required to tell us where their gas is coming from.
Thanks,
-A
prchrman
PONTIFICATOR
RF Overlord said:
RF go ahead and speak for me...maybe I will sound smart for once...on the political note...Bush better change something, just ask the X-pres from GA...gas prices are a killer on election day...OBTW it's after 3:00pm and I have not bought any gas yet but I did eat at lunch at a Taco Bell...willie
Bluerauder
CAMaraudin' in Virginia
duhtroll said:
That's right, the BP station at the bottom of the hill used to be an Amoco. Now, I think it uses both names. Maybe they are still buying oil as separate entities.
The US Army always threatened to send me to "B.F. Egypt". I had no idea that it was in Iowa. Instead, I spent 3 years in Baumholder, Germany (at the time --- go to the end of the autobahn, make a right, keep going until everyone looks depressed, that's it, you're there!!!""
:lol:
MapleLeafMerc
Senior Member
junehhan said:
Well said! Everything is safer, cleaner, etc., but for some types of politicians and voters
it is never enough. It will never be enough.
MapleLeafMerc
Senior Member
nslatin said:
Thanks for that info! We COULD apply real pressure by making this a public policy issue.
Oh- and RF, c'mon, this getting jerked around by oil producers was going on LONG before Bush (either one).
nslatin
Member
I know that BP owns Amoco, but I also noticed that BP has signs up saying still selling Amoco so who knows. I know that that list was done while ago, and it was something that was sent to me via email. So take it for what its worth. It is a good idea and perhaps a way to have an impact with my $35+ per tank full. Here on LI the 93 is selling for $2.35 +-.MENINBLK said:Funny you should mention this.
Citgo and Hess are the two least expensive brands of gas in Westchester County, NY !!!.
But on the other hand, Sunoco is the MOST EXPENSIVE !!!
Also BP now owns Amoco....
S
Silver_04
Guest
Here's part of the problem
BP Amoco
Chevron Texaco (and Shell figures in here somewhere)
Exxon Mobil
Those three companies used to be seven. Less competition. Also, isn't Exxon Mobil the first or second most profitable company in the world? Them and Wal Mart surpassed General Motors a couple of years ago. Having said that, it doesn't appear that gas is a cheap as it could be. I'm not complaining because if you can't afford the gas you shouldn't be driving the car, but I don't like being taken advantage of. The consolidation of the fuel industry is worrying.
BP Amoco
Chevron Texaco (and Shell figures in here somewhere)
Exxon Mobil
Those three companies used to be seven. Less competition. Also, isn't Exxon Mobil the first or second most profitable company in the world? Them and Wal Mart surpassed General Motors a couple of years ago. Having said that, it doesn't appear that gas is a cheap as it could be. I'm not complaining because if you can't afford the gas you shouldn't be driving the car, but I don't like being taken advantage of. The consolidation of the fuel industry is worrying.
MapleLeafMerc said:
Well said, because this jerked around thing has been going on for a VERY long time. It's almost funny to sit back and listen to some of these wild accusations out there. It's funny that everything seems to be Bush's fault no matter what it is. The public needs to start applying pressure if we are going to do something about this.
At least on the local BP/Amoco stations around here in Cincy, they are all BP gas stations. However, on the pump, it says that this station dispenses high quality Amoco fuels. They even changed the name of the grades to match the names Amoco stations used to give their different grades of gas. Also, those figures seem to change around somewhat. I used to remember Marathon at one time was listed as a station that did not purchase any oil from the Mid-East region. I would start filling up at Sunoco, but they are by far the most expensive of the gas stations around here. Their premium grade is about 5-10 cents more than the premium grade at my local Marathon station, and their Ultra 94 is a good 20-25 cents a gallon more. Last time I drove by, Ultra 94 was selling for $2.35 a gallon.
