Motor trashed at 34K and Very Unhappy!!! Now what??

when i tried to do that cobra the end of the crank on the auto motor was machined different, it wasn't cut to take the pilot bearing, and i think the size of the hole in the center was different on the two flywheels, but like i said , I was trying to go from auto to stick, you would be going the other way
 
Last edited:
hmmmm

my engine just might have taken a dump. it's at the dealer right now, but I drove it in. 38,000 miles, no UD's, no track time, oil changed every 3K...

not sure what the prognosis is, but I can tell it ain't gonna be good.

i'm not pissed at Ford or anything, but the idea of sinking any more coin into this dinosaur makes me sick, especially since I put the thing up for sale a month ago and then changed my mind...

this kind of thing makes an Infinitity look good to me
 
I noticed that these cars rev awfully high when they start up and have that typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up. Not a good thing in my book and I've heard several before buying that make the same noise.. Ford fans will know the noise that I speak of and the MM is no exception.. Hopefully Matt you can simply replace the crank and bearings (I dont like to undercut anything) along with a new oil pump and be back on the road.. Richy 04MM BK
 
I was told that the heads will Gall almost instantly with no oil pressure so it's not just a bottom end job, heads and all?

I am a Ford guy owning 2 of them but I have to say, why should I stand behind them when they won't stand behind us? This car was 35K new, How much for a new Mach 1, Cobra, F350 diesel? I'll be 42 next month, how many new cars will I buy over the next 20 or 30 years? I just don't think thats very CS oriented? I've gotten over it and moved on and just need to figure out the best way to go here?

Also, How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?
 
bigal614 said:
How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?
Click to expand...
If the pulleys are installed incorrectly, the basic answer is: "not very many". The one person on this board (besides yourself) who lost a motor due to having underdrive pulleys, which were installed incorrectly, got about about 4 months out of his.
 
I know it stinks to be stuck, but they do have time and mileage limits on the warranty. If it's outside the time or mileage limits, or it has been modified in a way the manufacturer doesn't approve of, I don't see why anybody would expect the manufacturer to accept responsibility.
 
Richy04 said:
I noticed that these cars rev awfully high when they start up and have that typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up. Not a good thing in my book and I've heard several before buying that make the same noise.. Ford fans will know the noise that I speak of and the MM is no exception.. Hopefully Matt you can simply replace the crank and bearings (I dont like to undercut anything) along with a new oil pump and be back on the road.. Richy 04MM BK
Click to expand...

I don't know what you are referring to "typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up" and I've owned Fords from Model A's through flatheads, Y-blocks, FE's, small block windsors, Mod engines etc.
 
PSG said:
Yeah the explorer engines are aluminium, as for the Mach 1 motor, the interchange book doesn't show that as a match, and I ran into a problem with an engine swap in a cobra a while back, the end of the crank is different from an automatic to a stick, you deffinetly can't use an auto motor in a stick, but I don't know about the other way around.
Click to expand...

The Mach1 and Aviator should also use the same basic aluminum block DOHC engine
 
RCSignals said:
I don't know what you are referring to "typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up" and I've owned Fords from Model A's through flatheads, Y-blocks, FE's, small block windsors, Mod engines etc.
Click to expand...


Then I am sorry, cant help ya, but every Ford I've owned all had a brief clatter upon startup to the point where I knew in a parking lot a Ford Product was starting nearby. I guess you are just lucky never to hear it and thats wonderful.. Regards, Richy
 
bigal614 said:
I was told that the heads will Gall almost instantly with no oil pressure so it's not just a bottom end job, heads and all?

I am a Ford guy owning 2 of them but I have to say, why should I stand behind them when they won't stand behind us? This car was 35K new, How much for a new Mach 1, Cobra, F350 diesel? I'll be 42 next month, how many new cars will I buy over the next 20 or 30 years? I just don't think thats very CS oriented? I've gotten over it and moved on and just need to figure out the best way to go here?

Also, How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?
Click to expand...

Since Ford itself hasn't been in the picture, your problem is that particular dealer and Service manager.

As I posted before, my Service Manager tells me that since the warranties were made 5 year, Service Managers have been given wider authority in warranty repair decisions, and that they can basically consider the vehicles that previously had the 3 year warranties as being covered by the newer 5 year terms. This at the discression of the Service Manager.
So if your car is 'out of warranty' but within that 5 year 60,000 mile window, the Service Manager does not have to give you the brush off.
 
Richy04 said:
Then I am sorry, cant help ya, but every Ford I've owned all had a brief clatter upon startup to the point where I knew in a parking lot a Ford Product was starting nearby. I guess you are just lucky never to hear it and thats wonderful.. Regards, Richy
Click to expand...

Mine does it. It's brief but noticeable.

Not as bad as the Silverado I use to own, though. It rattled at start-up like a diesel since when it was new, but I never had any oil-related problems with it. It still used the same amount of oil at 150,000 miles as it did at 50,000 (about 3/4 of a quart between oil changes).
 
Last edited:
RCSignals said:
Since Ford itself hasn't been in the picture, your problem is that particular dealer and Service manager.

As I posted before, my Service Manager tells me that since the warranties were made 5 year, Service Managers have been given wider authority in warranty repair decisions, and that they can basically consider the vehicles that previously had the 3 year warranties as being covered by the newer 5 year terms. This at the discression of the Service Manager.
So if your car is 'out of warranty' but within that 5 year 60,000 mile window, the Service Manager does not have to give you the brush off.
Click to expand...

Well I'm well in the 60K limit and still in the 5 year limit as well! I will be checking on that!! Thank you for the info!!

Still no answer on my question how long would a motor last with the BBK pulleys?
 
bigal614 said:
Well I'm well in the 60K limit and still in the 5 year limit as well! I will be checking on that!! Thank you for the info!!

Still no answer on my question how long would a motor last with the BBK pulleys?
Click to expand...

It's all at the discretion of the Service Manager.
 
Sharky said:
Mine does it. It's brief but noticeable.

Not as bad as the Silverado I use to own, though. It rattled at start-up like a diesel since when it was new, but I never had any oil-related problems with it. It still used the same amount of oil at 150,000 miles as it did at 50,000 (about 3/4 of a quart between oil changes).
Click to expand...

You Marauder shouldn't be doing it.
 
RCSignals said:
You Marauder shouldn't be doing it.
Click to expand...

2003 Grand Marquis. Yeah, it has a little light valvetrain clatter on cold start, very brief, but it still gives me the creeps. Not rod knock, and it's definitely not the piston slap that my Silverado had. I'm running 5W-20 full synthetic, BTW.

My neighbor's 2002 F-150 does it, too.
 
Sharky said:
2003 Grand Marquis. Yeah, it has a little light valvetrain clatter on cold start, very brief, but it still gives me the creeps. Not rod knock, and it's definitely not the piston slap that my Silverado had. I'm running 5W-20 full synthetic, BTW.

My neighbor's 2002 F-150 does it, too.
Click to expand...

OK, the other guy was talking about dry lower end clatter, I thought you were as well.
I guess there are a lot of things that light valve train clatter could be. Some say it's just normal for a OHC engine.

FWIW my 2003 CV does not have it.
 
my motor went at 55k

bought used from ford dealer....2nd owner...2 weeks later rear cyl on driver side had what seemed like piston pin noise ..returned to dealer,under there own 30 day warranty..two weeks later after plenty of fussing:( ..new engine completely covered from FMC..warranty on engine till i hit 75,000 miles..tech removed engine and found rear driver cylinder excessively out of round...got really lucky:D on this...now at 58500 and it does have rattle noise (chatter) at start up...i just ignore it ,love the car too much:D
 
Some More Ideas

First, let me apologize for getting into this thread late.

Second, I just went through some of this bizarre garbage when I moved to Virginia and took my KB MM to a new dealer. The Service Manager wanted to void the warranty on the whole car, after disassembling it and refusing to work on it (although, nice guy that he is, paid for it to be towed back to my home) (sarcasm intended). Then he started the paperwork to void the ESP (based on his conclusion that this car was a "dangerous car" and should not be driven).

Making a long story short, I called Ford customer service (the number's in the Owner's Manual) and made a verbal complaint, and then learned from them the web site where I made a written complaint against the dealer; naming names and so forth).

About a week or so later, after I ended up getting the car fixed at a non-Ford repair shop, I get a call from the Zone and another one from the Region. They met me at a different dealer (who is now my 'dealer of choice' in Virginia) to inspect the car and review the offending dealer's actions.

At the end of the day, (1) they told me they had never seen a car as well maintained as mine, (2) the ESP was reinstated with full coverage; (3) the out-of-pocket repair costs were reimbursed, and (4) the offending dealer was written up*.

My point being - don't accept what the first dealer says; he ain't speaking for Ford. He's only speaking for his own dealership. Write him up if you think you were mistreated, and then find out which dealer in your area is more receptive to modified vehicles, and then take it over there. You'll probably get better treatment. I did.

* : this is important at holdback/incentive time, because a write-up will get those payments reduced.
 
N40GL said:
First, let me apologize for getting into this thread late.

Second, I just went through some of this bizarre garbage when I moved to Virginia and took my KB MM to a new dealer. The Service Manager wanted to void the warranty on the whole car, after disassembling it and refusing to work on it (although, nice guy that he is, paid for it to be towed back to my home) (sarcasm intended). Then he started the paperwork to void the ESP (based on his conclusion that this car was a "dangerous car" and should not be driven).

Making a long story short, I called Ford customer service (the number's in the Owner's Manual) and made a verbal complaint, and then learned from them the web site where I made a written complaint against the dealer; naming names and so forth).

About a week or so later, after I ended up getting the car fixed at a non-Ford repair shop, I get a call from the Zone and another one from the Region. They met me at a different dealer (who is now my 'dealer of choice' in Virginia) to inspect the car and review the offending dealer's actions.

At the end of the day, (1) they told me they had never seen a car as well maintained as mine, (2) the ESP was reinstated with full coverage; (3) the out-of-pocket repair costs were reimbursed, and (4) the offending dealer was written up*.

My point being - don't accept what the first dealer says; he ain't speaking for Ford. He's only speaking for his own dealership. Write him up if you think you were mistreated, and then find out which dealer in your area is more receptive to modified vehicles, and then take it over there. You'll probably get better treatment. I did.

* : this is important at holdback/incentive time, because a write-up will get those payments reduced.
Click to expand...

excellent, and you needn't have made any apology.

not only will that write up get those payments reduced, but it could effect quota of vehicles and priority for assigned to the dealer. Especially for low production vehicles such as the Shelby Mustang line.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top