My ET reduction from Kook's!!!
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martyo
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Logan said:I personally think the 4.30's help my cause, not hurt it. I think the 4.56's put the car a wee bit too far into it's power band too quickly and waste usable power. But that's just my two pennies.What the hell are they worth? Not much.
All eyes will be on you Logan.
If I had to do it over again, I would definitely go with the 4.30s but at this point in my build, I am not sure that it would be a cost effective upgrade.
M
Marauderer
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4.30's
the 4.30's might be nice on a NA car, but oh my god when logan gets the trilogy kit he is going to be re-thinking that decision I hope you kept the stock gear set and have it handy
the 4.30's might be nice on a NA car, but oh my god when logan gets the trilogy kit he is going to be re-thinking that decision
I hope you kept the stock gear set and have it handy 
BillyGman
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IMO,
if anyone thinks that 4.10 gears are ideal(whatever Ideal is) then you would have to say the same about 4.30's because NO WAY would anyone see any difference between having 4.10's and 4.30's. They're just so close in ratio and in RPM's that there's not going to be any difference whatsoever in the way the car accelerates w/them. Especially a heavy car like the MM. And anyone can quote me all they want on that statement, because I challenge anyone to prove me wrong w/both gear ratios in the same car and on the same track. It isn't gonna happen.
Now there IS a significant difference between 4.30's and 4.56's, however since my car has run the best ET's of any N/A Marauder so far, as well as the fastest trap speed, then my position about the opinion of 4.56's hurting me in the quartermile is: PROVE IT. Run a better ET than I did, and a faster Trap speed than my 101.35 MPH, and then I'll believe it.
At 70 MPH in third gear(O/D off) your Marauder will be reving at 3,444 RPM w/the 4.10 gears, and at that same speed w/the 4.30 gears, it will be reving at 3,612 RPM. So that 168 RPM difference at 70 MPH is so miniscule that you're splitting hairs by talking about differences between the two ratios.
Don't get me wrong though. I fully accept LOGAN's statements about the gear ratios even though I don't agree w/them, because he was simply sharing his opinion w/us, and he wasn't arrogant in any way in the way he stated his opinion either. So that's all cool. I just think that many people here don't realize how close 4.10 gears are to 4.30's. We're talking like a microscopic difference. And one that wouldn't even be noticed.
And remember that Marty who has the 4.10's in his car was w/me racing his car on the same day and on the same track, and even though he came very close to my ET and trap speed, he didn't match it at any part of the day let alone beat it. And up until now, Marty's car was the one to beat among N/A Marauders. So I rest my case.
if anyone thinks that 4.10 gears are ideal(whatever Ideal is) then you would have to say the same about 4.30's because NO WAY would anyone see any difference between having 4.10's and 4.30's. They're just so close in ratio and in RPM's that there's not going to be any difference whatsoever in the way the car accelerates w/them. Especially a heavy car like the MM. And anyone can quote me all they want on that statement, because I challenge anyone to prove me wrong w/both gear ratios in the same car and on the same track. It isn't gonna happen.
Now there IS a significant difference between 4.30's and 4.56's, however since my car has run the best ET's of any N/A Marauder so far, as well as the fastest trap speed, then my position about the opinion of 4.56's hurting me in the quartermile is: PROVE IT. Run a better ET than I did, and a faster Trap speed than my 101.35 MPH, and then I'll believe it.
At 70 MPH in third gear(O/D off) your Marauder will be reving at 3,444 RPM w/the 4.10 gears, and at that same speed w/the 4.30 gears, it will be reving at 3,612 RPM. So that 168 RPM difference at 70 MPH is so miniscule that you're splitting hairs by talking about differences between the two ratios.
Don't get me wrong though. I fully accept LOGAN's statements about the gear ratios even though I don't agree w/them, because he was simply sharing his opinion w/us, and he wasn't arrogant in any way in the way he stated his opinion either. So that's all cool. I just think that many people here don't realize how close 4.10 gears are to 4.30's. We're talking like a microscopic difference. And one that wouldn't even be noticed.
And remember that Marty who has the 4.10's in his car was w/me racing his car on the same day and on the same track, and even though he came very close to my ET and trap speed, he didn't match it at any part of the day let alone beat it. And up until now, Marty's car was the one to beat among N/A Marauders. So I rest my case.
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BillyGman
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LOL......
we will see Logan.......we will see....
.........but if you do, then I'll want to know what else you've done to your car that we don't know about........uh, unless ofcourse you've already had that Supercharger installed in your car that you were talking about
and in that case, you would be comparing apples to oranges my friend
we will see Logan.......we will see....
.........but if you do, then I'll want to know what else you've done to your car that we don't know about........uh, unless ofcourse you've already had that Supercharger installed in your car that you were talking about
and in that case, you would be comparing apples to oranges my friend
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Smokie
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Billy, first congratulations on what you have accomplished, you are putting down times that are faster than or as fast as some s/c MM's. I think you are also having fun doing it. And you should be proud of what you have accomplished; you are also getting a bit caught up in the "prove this or prove that" arena. Billy the car making you happy is the most important thing Don't worry about others agreeing with you, there will always be a faster car out there and of course there will be slower cars also. Enjoy the ride, that is what truly matters.
BillyGman
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Smokie
thanks for your reply.........I agree w/you that none of this should be taken personal, and I wasn't offended at all by what Logan has stated. Infact, I hope that he is able to come up w/a good ET, and I have sent him a PM yesterday telling him that, and also giving him some tips about the best tire pressure to use that has worked for Marty and I using the stock tires. So it's all cool Dude.
The only thing that continues to amaze me is how many guys here are doubtful about the potential of the gear ratio that I've chosen. Again, Logan is entitled to his opinion, and since he shared it in such a classy way, I didn't have any problem w/that at all.
However, I was grilled in the past on this board by several other members about HOW WRONG I WAS to choose 4.56 gears w/out asking them about it first. And I'm talking about way back in the summer time of this year. And to my knowledge I'm one of the few members here, if not the ONLY one who has installed both the 4.10 gears, as well as the 4.56 gears in my MM, and I did it myself, so I know what was in there, and what is in there now. Furthermore, the 4.56 install I did w/out a lift, and on my back which was very challenging to say the least. So that's why those other members' statements when they were grilling me about my gear choice being wrong were waaaaay off base since they themselves have never even tried 4.56 gears in the MM like I have.
So I tend to react atleast enough to write a reply when I see somebody suggest that the 4.56's are hurting my ET's when so far my ET's are not only close to everyone else's who have 4.10's and 4.30's, but are actually better.
So if somebody beats my time, that's okay, especially if they did it in a Marauder. But puleeeeze don't suggest that it was because of my choice of gears unless you can prove that, because I believe that so far, I've proven that theory wrong, and because of the grillings that I've had to endure from some members in the past about MY choice of gear ratios, this 4.56 gear ratio bashing thing has become a pet peeve of mine. Especially because nobody else here besides myself has even tried the 4.56's in their Marauder. So please don't knock it until you've tried it JUST like I HAVE.......I know that LOGAN wasn't neccessarily knocking my gear choice, but because others have, then I wanted to explain my position.
thanks for your reply.........I agree w/you that none of this should be taken personal, and I wasn't offended at all by what Logan has stated. Infact, I hope that he is able to come up w/a good ET, and I have sent him a PM yesterday telling him that, and also giving him some tips about the best tire pressure to use that has worked for Marty and I using the stock tires. So it's all cool Dude.
The only thing that continues to amaze me is how many guys here are doubtful about the potential of the gear ratio that I've chosen. Again, Logan is entitled to his opinion, and since he shared it in such a classy way, I didn't have any problem w/that at all.
However, I was grilled in the past on this board by several other members about HOW WRONG I WAS to choose 4.56 gears w/out asking them about it first. And I'm talking about way back in the summer time of this year. And to my knowledge I'm one of the few members here, if not the ONLY one who has installed both the 4.10 gears, as well as the 4.56 gears in my MM, and I did it myself, so I know what was in there, and what is in there now. Furthermore, the 4.56 install I did w/out a lift, and on my back which was very challenging to say the least. So that's why those other members' statements when they were grilling me about my gear choice being wrong were waaaaay off base since they themselves have never even tried 4.56 gears in the MM like I have.
So I tend to react atleast enough to write a reply when I see somebody suggest that the 4.56's are hurting my ET's when so far my ET's are not only close to everyone else's who have 4.10's and 4.30's, but are actually better.
So if somebody beats my time, that's okay, especially if they did it in a Marauder. But puleeeeze don't suggest that it was because of my choice of gears unless you can prove that, because I believe that so far, I've proven that theory wrong, and because of the grillings that I've had to endure from some members in the past about MY choice of gear ratios, this 4.56 gear ratio bashing thing has become a pet peeve of mine. Especially because nobody else here besides myself has even tried the 4.56's in their Marauder. So please don't knock it until you've tried it JUST like I HAVE.......I know that LOGAN wasn't neccessarily knocking my gear choice, but because others have, then I wanted to explain my position.
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amerikan
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ok finally our marauders will outrin an m3 or a c32 NA. would you guys expect me to run high 13s with the kooks exhaust/header kit? im pretty sure i will. i am 70% ordering them for the holidays any idea on the cost and install cost. thanks guys...i read through the posts.. very funny.
Marty, Logan, Billy................Hee! Hee! Hee!!!!!!!!! Except for Marty, you haven't run with me lately! And that was at Ennis. TAF needs to remind everyone that ET's are simply made to be broken by someone else. My 13.7 & 101 mph trap speed at Ennis was after a tire spin and fishtail. I'm looking forward to what can be done with a clean hook-up. Look out. This thread is fun....keep it up, guys!
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BillyGman
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jsp,
if, and when you find a way to get your car to hook up, I'm sure that you'll be smokin everyone here except ofcourse for the Supercharged guys. With the kind of Torque your car must be puting out on Nitrous, my guess is that you definately should be running slicks........
if, and when you find a way to get your car to hook up, I'm sure that you'll be smokin everyone here except ofcourse for the Supercharged guys. With the kind of Torque your car must be puting out on Nitrous, my guess is that you definately should be running slicks........