My ticking Marauder...

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... is ticking no more. That's because it's currently sitting in a service bay at my dealership with 4.6 liters' worth of engine parts strewn across a multitude of workbenches.

The decision was made to pull the driver's side head and have a look at the valves, once it was found that a bunch of exhaust valves were demonstrating a little too much play within their guides and seats. In fact, according to the technician (pretty much one of only two that I will trust my car with), a couple were kind of 'wedged' into their seats, as if they had seated at an irregular angle, and required a slight "push" to get them to lift off their seat. Many looked carbon'ed up somewhat, but a couple had some serious wear marks on the valve stems, probably from worn or faulty valve guides.

Some carbon buildup on the combustion chambers, probably most likely due to the oil consumption that must have been occuring as oil seeped past the bad guides. This carbon might have also served to accelerate the guide wear. Ironically, we laughed about the fact that had I not been so easy on the engine, the carbon buildup might not have been as noticeable, even though the faulty valve guides would have eventually mangled up the valve stems pretty bad in the long run.

The tops of the pistons also showed some excessive carbon buildup, again probably related to that puff of smoke that is emitted from the exhaust after some startups.


The technician mentioned that it was almost as if cylinder 7 had overheated or was running hotter than the others, while inspecting the wear. Funny, I thought I read something in here about that sort of problem with Mustangs, in another thread a few months back. I'll do the search but I thought I'd bring that up right away.

Camshaft bearings and journals looked good, according to him. No signs of ugly wear at all. So one would think it's not a lubrication issue.

So I'm waiting on some further investigations before finding out what the recommendation will be. The option is either a new motor or a new head and set of valves (which will need machining by a third party). With the new motor, who's to say whether the replacement motor will be a knocker or a ticker after a few break-in miles, and with the new head option, who's to say I can trust a low-wage machinist to care about how good the valve guide/valve stem clearances are. *sigh*



So there you have it. Those of you with ticking driver's side valvetrains (that are not related to faulty catalytic converters) might have this to look forward to, in the future. The ticking may stay the same, but it will probably get worse, as the valves "rock" within their worn guides and get their stems chewed up. Those of you with puffing engines at startup might also get presented with the same outcome. Those of you with knocking engines... well, who knows what you're up against.



My first Ford, high-performance or not. If it isn't self-destructing trannies, it's wobbly valves and slicing harnesses. And considering 99% of my weekly 500 mile usage of the car is done at very easy engine loads, it does NOT leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling about this engine. It's the ONLY engine I've ever had torn apart (except for the 1st Honda I built out of 2 scrap cars, mentioned elsewhere). Yes, I'm angry.


We'll see what comes of this. As usual, I'll keep y'all posted with any info I gleam off the great tech who's working on my old ticker.
 
Damn, this is definitely bad news. I just noticed the same noise, ticking, on my MM this week with 17,000 miles. I was hoping it was the new exhaust manifold or other exhaust leak related to the new manifold installation.

I did notice the Blue Oval news said this was a silent recall on 2003 Cobras. Aren’t our MM heads aluminum and the Cobra is cast iron? Maybe our MM valve guides are different.
 
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TripleTransAm said:
... is ticking no more. That's because it's currently sitting in a service bay at my dealership with 4.6 liters' worth of engine parts strewn across a multitude of workbenches.

Sorry to hear about your trouble. If Ford doesn't come through for you we'll start a flame war!


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The Cobra and the Marauder don't share the same heads so I don't think the Cobra problem pertains to the Marauder. RAY
 
DetGeno said:
TTA how many miles do you have on your MM?


About 8750 very very easy miles. usually I'm just ****y-footing away from a stop sign or a light due to wanting to maximize comfort for my family. There is the occasional hot-dogging, but pretty much at 8/10s if not less aggressive. Very rarely will I put the pedal to the floor. That's just the fact of life with spending 500 miles a week on the road shuttling my son to his grandparents and going to work.

One visit to the drag strip. By then, I'm pretty sure it was already ticking. Numbers were good, power was all there and accounted for.

Puff of smoke at startup now and again.

Oil consumption unknown, gas consumption very acceptable.

Honestly, the tech wasn't able to tell me what I did wrong with this motor. These motors *should* be able to take a winding, according to the tech, so abuse is definitely NOT an issue to be pursued.


You know, if I had modified the little double-cammer and broke something in the aftermath of the increased power, yeah I'd fully understand. But sometimes even us bone-stockers can't win...
 
Thanks for the supportive words, guys.

I keep asking myself if I did the right thing, going through with this 'investigation'. I could have kept quiet, ignored the smoke puff at startup now and again, blocked out the ticking sound from under the hood everytime I was around the car exterior with the engine running. I would have probably been enjoying the car instead of seeing it opened up in the service bay, with parts exposing casting numbers that should never see the light of day after assembly.

But when you get down to it... I paid > $43000 Canadian for this car (that's just over about $30k US) and I don't want a car that sounds like the all-original valvetrain on my 110 000 MILE 1978 Trans Am at hot idle. And to see the extent of wear and tear on the soon-to-be ailing cylinders had me wondering what would have happened over the winter, as my F-cars would be tucked safely away for the winter.

Oh well, I hope this odyssey is at least somewhat mildly entertaining to follow. I'll try to get photos taken tomorrow.
 
Dude, I'm shocked and saddened to hear this! IIRC, our cars were built around the same time...and I've had no problems yet!

I hope they put your ride back together better than it was!

I have to admit, I ride my car hard. I throw it into corners, I stomp on WOT whenver I get the chance - but I have no family to keep comfortable. I do it for me.

I've got 11,000 km on mine. It's warrantied for 7 years or 150,000km, so if it's going to break, like several have, I want it to break in the first year.
 
This 4V DOHC is almost a Hemi, and it should be treated like the Hemi of the late '60s. Beat it to death, it runs better. Carbon deposits are a death sentence, this engine loves hard work at high RPMs...IMHO.
 
Hey, Triple-T--sorry to hear about your woes . . .

As I've said before, I can hear the "tack-tack-tack" sound at idle when I lean near the driver's-side door. But yesterday, I noticed that I couldn't hear it. Has your "ticking" ever disappeared for a brief period? Or has it been constant since you noticed it? Thanks.
 
Triple TA-

I've had a ticking since day one and I'm now at 1600 miles. I took my MM in for service immediately and was told the ticking noise is not the valves but the fuel injectors???? Is that believeable? The ticking can be heard inside the car with the windows up. The ticking is also much louder than any valve noise from my '97 Continental at 125,000 miles with the similar 4.6 DOHC. Can't say I've seen any smoke at startup. Am I a victim too?
 
MMManic said:
Triple TA-
Am I a victim too?

Have it checked. I can't hear my injectors even with the hood open.

Steve could hear the noise just by listening near his wheel well.
 
A light, intermittant ticking noise from the injectors is a well known issue with the 4.6 four valve engine. It is nothing to be concerned about. The heavy, constant valvetrain noise TTA experienced is a problem of a different order altogether.
 
Thanks for the very informative post TTA. I hope all goes well for you and please keep us updated.
 
MMManic:

There was a thread a while back ago here that mentioned the fuel injectors as a possible (and normal) source of "ticking" noises.

Beadhead:

So, in your opinion, if my "tack-tack-tack" noise is only evident sometimes, it's probably just the injectors? Thanks.
 
MMManic said:
I've had a ticking since day one and I'm now at 1600 miles. I took my MM in for service immediately and was told the ticking noise is not the valves but the fuel injectors???? Is that believeable? The ticking can be heard inside the car with the windows up.


Could be noisy injectors, sure. But to hear them from inside the cabin with the windows closed? Wow. Those are noisy injectors alright.

I gotta admit that the injectors on my MM are pretty silent. Or at least no noisier than any other of my FI'ed cars. Perhaps I got used to the timbre of injector ticks...

The ticking in my MM was a bit more metallic. Very similar to an exhaust leak. Or perhaps an older noisy valvetrain. I investigated a few other possibilities for this tick before deciding to have the engine opened up... I checked the cats for leaks as was mentioned by one member here, I honestly focused on the injectors as a possibility... and then when I initially asked to have it looked at, the technician confirmed it was coming from inside the motor. It wasn't an easy tick to track down, but with some dedication to the task (as was the case with my technician), the problem was narrowed down.

Gotta hand it to my favorite technician... he had the ticking down to the exact cylinder, as confirmed once the head was removed.
 
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