Sick of American-car bashing....

My car does not puff blue smoke on start up.

I had the axels replaced at 70K when I had the rear carrier replaced. The bearing surfaces were tore up from being soft. I had no symptoms.

Look at my sig, no defective heads here.
 
sailsmen said:
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I had the axels replaced at 70K when I had the rear carrier replaced. The bearing surfaces were tore up from being soft. I had no symptoms.

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and that is the issue. I'm guessing Ford would ask at what point/mileage did the axles start to deteriorate.
We all know they should allow dealers to at least inspect, but dealers won't because if they don't find anything when an issue has not been reported, Ford will not pay. If a dealer is convinced to inspect just on the customer requesting it, and does find a failure, supposedly Ford will then pay for the inspection, and replace the axles.
 
The kit that Ford offered was very reasonable. 2 axels, bearings, seal, etc for less than the cost of one axel.
 
One thing that everybody agrees on here is a passion for a truly unique car.

I wanted my Marauder because it was the most exciting thing to come along since the Impala SS (yes I said it!) The truth is Ford just does not get it!

what killed the MM was price and lack of performance in stock trim! When you have people who are passionate for cars like this Ford needs to build upon that not kill it!

this whole site exists for a car that was made for 2 model years and ended production 3 model years ago. That should tell you something!
 
davidholland said:
One thing that everybody agrees on here is a passion for a truly unique car.

I wanted my Marauder because it was the most exciting thing to come along since the Impala SS (yes I said it!) The truth is Ford just does not get it!

what killed the MM was price and lack of performance in stock trim! When you have people who are passionate for cars like this Ford needs to build upon that not kill it!

this whole site exists for a car that was made for 2 model years and ended production 3 model years ago. That should tell you something!
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well actually many marauders sold for well below msrp. Performance in stock trim was good and as advertised, just not as much as what some enthusiasts wanted.

What killed the Marauder was a lack of any real marketing. Few knew it even existed.
 
My .02

There is no such thing as an “American car company.” They have not existed for many years. They are “Multi-national” corporate empires that exist for the global elite to exploit the non-elite people of the earth. You should notice that when these enormous multi-national companies, even phone companies, when they layoff “their” people/slaves they hire less expensive people/slaves in other countries. Mathematics is mathematics an engineer is an engineer, when properly schooled and trained. If a multi-national can get the same output from an $80k engineer in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Seattle</st1:place></st1:City> and a $5k engineer in India/Pakistan/China…guess who loses. Not the multi-national. “When your neighbor is out of work it is a recession. When you are out of work it is a depression.”
That said...my blood is as red/white/blue as any of you. I am former military and all that... I looked real hard at Toyota, subaru for my daily driver. That idea did not sit real well with me, even thought I standby, right or wrong, what I say above. When I discovered my MM...not knowing the model even existed...I thought "right a$$ right seat" right price.
I was glad to spend my $$,$$$ on a symbol of Americana.
And that is that for me.
Tony:burnout:

AstroVic said:
I have a case of the red-#@$%!....

I'm sick and tired of the automotive media's bashing of American-made cars. If you buy their hype, it's almost as if the Hondas/Toyotas of this world are technological marvels with no possibility of breaking down. It's total B.S.!

Let me tell you, as a police officer assigned to the "Motorist Assistance Program" in my county, I see more Hondas/Toyotas/etc. on the side of the road than anything else. My personally-owned Fords/Chevrolets/GMs/etc. have *NEVER* left me stranded on the side of the road.

I've put more than half a million miles on police package Chevrolet Caprices and Ford Crown Vics and I've *NEVER* been stranded. Not once. Never.

For me, it's American cars all the way. I don't give a #@$%! where they're built. I only care that my money goes to American owned companies who build quality products for reasonable prices.

Screw Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/Mercedes/VW/Nissan/et al! They might be good cars, but they're ridiculously overpriced and no better than their American counterparts.

/rant off
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murphypeople said:
There is no such thing as an “American car company.” They have not existed for many years. They are “Multi-national” corporate empires that exist for the global elite to exploit the non-elite people of the earth. You should notice that when these enormous multi-national companies, even phone companies, when they layoff “their” people/slaves they hire less expensive people/slaves in other countries. Mathematics is mathematics an engineer is an engineer, when properly schooled and trained. If a multi-national can get the same output from an $80k engineer in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Seattle</st1:place></st1:City> and a $5k engineer in India/Pakistan/China…guess who loses. Not the multi-national. “When your neighbor is out of work it is a recession. When you are out of work it is a depression.”
That said...my blood is as red/white/blue as any of you. I am former military and all that... I looked real hard at Toyota, subaru for my daily driver. That idea did not sit real well with me, even thought I standby, right or wrong, what I say above. When I discovered my MM...not knowing the model even existed...I thought "right a$$ right seat" right price.
I was glad to spend my $$,$$$ on a symbol of Americana.
And that is that for me.
Tony:burnout:
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Modern economics does not support slavery. The ownership business model is inefficient. The slavery model required them to feed workers that weren't producing. Now they use a leasing model. When they have no use for a worker they just stop making payments.
 
If only you were willing to pay $100 for blue jeans and $75,000 for a Marauder the overseer could keep the American slave on the Plantation.
 
dwasson said:
Modern economics does not support slavery. The ownership business model is inefficient. The slavery model required them to feed workers that weren't producing. Now they use a leasing model. When they have no use for a worker they just stop making payments.
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Modern economics is totally out to lunch. As a wise man once said 'The real world is a special case to the modern economist'.

And in this wonderful new system, 'slavery' has simply been replaced with 'debt'.

[dons fireproof suit]
 
Dr Caleb said:
Modern economics is totally out to lunch. As a wise man once said 'The real world is a special case to the modern economist'.

And in this wonderful new system, 'slavery' has simply been replaced with 'debt'.

[dons fireproof suit]
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So what is new or modern about that?
 
Exploitation

The recurrent theme throughout all economic models appears to be exploitation of the meek by the elite of the society. Slavery or indentured servitude is not foreign to mankind’s economic models. It is the exploitation of man at the hand of his fellow man that makes for oppression and hardship. There is a better way. In a word selflessness. To bad mankind can not make it work long term. Maybe there is a reason for that.
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Flame suit on…:flamer:
 
murphypeople said:
The recurrent theme throughout all economic models appears to be exploitation of the meek by the elite of the society. Slavery or indentured servitude is not foreign to mankind’s economic models. It is the exploitation of man at the hand of his fellow man that makes for oppression and hardship. There is a better way. In a word selflessness. To bad mankind can not make it work long term. Maybe there is a reason for that.
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Flame suit on…:flamer:
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That is crap. If you were selfless you wouldn't be on this forum. Maybe the Focus forum, or the used Pinto forum, or even the bus riders forum. Society has been advanced by people pursuing their self interest. Self interest is honorable and the only reliable force to advance the human condition.

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck." - Robert Heinlein
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Master said:
Socialism. Flame suit also engaged.
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Careful! That enters the realm of politics, a subject that may not be discussed here. We are discussing 'economics.'

dwasson said:
That is crap. If you were selfless you wouldn't be on this forum. Maybe the Focus forum, or the used Pinto forum, or even the bus riders forum.
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I think you are confusing 'selfless' with 'treehugger'. One can drive a Porsche and still volunteer their time to a homeless shelter. Spreading one's good fortune (or hard work) is not dependent on the car we drive.

dwasson said:
Society has been advanced by people pursuing their self interest. Self interest is honorable and the only reliable force to advance the human condition.
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Advanced, yes. Honourable, yes. But there is no advancement in greed. Many who are rich do advance society, many do not. Many in debt only work to pay the interest on that debt, only to acquire more debt. And Banks, and Credit Card companies, and Oil companies all keep on reporting record profits.

<blockquote>If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go now from us in peace. We ask not your counsels nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were ever our countrymen. - Samuel Adams</blockquote>
 
AstroVic said:
I have a case of the red-#@$%!....

I'm sick and tired of the automotive media's bashing of American-made cars. If you buy their hype, it's almost as if the Hondas/Toyotas of this world are technological marvels with no possibility of breaking down. It's total B.S.!

Let me tell you, as a police officer assigned to the "Motorist Assistance Program" in my county, I see more Hondas/Toyotas/etc. on the side of the road than anything else. My personally-owned Fords/Chevrolets/GMs/etc. have *NEVER* left me stranded on the side of the road.

I've put more than half a million miles on police package Chevrolet Caprices and Ford Crown Vics and I've *NEVER* been stranded. Not once. Never.

For me, it's American cars all the way. I don't give a #@$%! where they're built. I only care that my money goes to American owned companies who build quality products for reasonable prices.

Screw Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/Mercedes/VW/Nissan/et al! They might be good cars, but they're ridiculously overpriced and no better than their American counterparts.

/rant off
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So why don't you give me your German owned/built Charger? :D
 
I don't think the Charger is built in Germany. It also won't be owned by Germany for much longer. Sadly, Aston Martin isn't really owned by Ford anymore. Heard yesterday that they sold the majority for about $800 million to a group of investors. That should spell the end of Aston Martin for sure.
 
Just What is an American Car Anymore ?

Master said:
I don't think the Charger is built in Germany.
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According to the list below, the Dodge Charger is built in Canada.

What is an American Car ?

The following list was obtained from the April 2007 issue of Consumer Reports, page 19. I assume those models missing are built in the county of the nameplate. However, the Mercury Gran Marquis is missing (must be an option to the CV). When you add “parts content” to the equation, the picture becomes even fuzzier.

Built in South Korea

USA-Chevrolet Aveo

Built in Mexico

USA-Buick Rendevous
USA-Cadillac Escalade ESV & EXT
USA-Chevrolet Avalanche
USA-Chevrolet HHR
USA-Chevrolet Silverado (some)
USA-Chevrolet Suburban (some)
USA-Chrysler PT Cruiser
USA-Dodge RAM (some)
USA-Ford F-Series (some)
USA-Ford Fusion
USA-GMC Yukon (some)
USA-Lincoln MKZ
USA-Mercury Milan
JAP-Honda Accord
JAP-Nissan Sentra
JAP-Nissan Versa
JAP-Toyota Tacoma
GER-Volkswagen Jetta
GER-Volkswagen New Beetle

Built in Canada

USA-Buick LaCrosse
USA-Chevrolet Impala
USA-Chevrolet Monte Carlo
USA-Chevrolet Silverado (some)
USA-Chrysler 300
USA-Chrysler minivans (some)
USA-Dodge Charger
USA-Ford Crown Victoria
USA-GMC Sierra (some)
USA-Pontiac Grand Prix
JAP-Acura MDX
JAP-Honda Civic (some)
JAP-Honda Pilot (some)
JAP-Honda Ridgeline
JAP-Lexus RX350
JAP-Toyota Matrix
JAP-Toyota Corolla

Built in United States

JAP-Acura TL
GER-BMW X5
JAP-Honda Accord (some)
JAP-Honda Civic (some)
JAP-Honda CR-V (some)
JAP-Honda Odyssey (some)
KOR-Hyundia Sonata
JAP-Infiniti Q56
JAP-Mazda 6
JAP-Mazda Tribute
GER-Mercedes M-Class
GER-Mercedes R-Class
JAP-Mitsubishi Galant
JAP-Nissan Altima
JAP-Nissan Maxima
JAP-Nissan Pathfinder
JAP-Nissan Titan
SWE-Saab 9-7X
JAP-Subaru Legacy
JAP-Toyota Camry (some)
JAP-Toyota Sienna
JAP-Toyota Tundra
 
Bluerauder said:
According to the list below, the Dodge Charger is built in Canada.

However, the Mercury Gran Marquis is missing (must be an option to the CV).
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The list is very incomplete. The Charger is built in the same plant as the Magnum and Chrysler 300. They aren't on the list ethier.

Lincon Town Car isn't listed . . . and that's just a quick look.
 
Dr Caleb said:
The list is very incomplete. The Charger is built in the same plant as the Magnum and Chrysler 300. They aren't on the list ethier.

Lincon Town Car isn't listed . . . and that's just a quick look.
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Yes there are a whole lot more built in the US.

From what I've read, 'F-series' trucks are no longer buit in Mexico with the exception of some larger than F450.

(Ford should never have sold it's Large truck division (now Sterling) )
 
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