Unions in Michigan

Fosters said:
We cannot talk about unions anymore because someone will call union workers lazy, some union guy will take it personal, and mein fuhrer2004 will step in and lock this bish down faster than anything.
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If this was a feeble attempt at humor, you missed the boat and have succeeded in putting your name at the top of my personal "watch list". Your contributions here seem to always have an underlying theme of unrest and general pot stirring.

Therefore I highly suggest that you take your screen name to heart and "Foster" a new attitude on this site.
 
Fosters said:
We cannot talk about unions anymore because someone will call union workers lazy, some union guy will take it personal, and mein fuhrer2004 will step in and lock this bish down faster than anything.
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If you are referring to me taking it personal, you are correct. I'm in deep in the construction industry in a union dominated city and lazy don't apply in this field which is why I will defend it. If making less money and have nothing to show for it after years of your labor works for you then thats great. I wish you nothing but happiness in your profession. I made my choice, you made yours and nothing ever said on a car forum will ever change that which is why Mike stepped in and put a end to the discussion.
 
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Fosters said:
I keep my attempts at humor in the joke thread. Probably where you should put your threats. Really, I'm on your "watch list"? :eek:

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Whatever, the comment was still in extremely poor taste. You have a tendency to make antagonistic comments, and then when someone calls you on it, you perceive it as a threat?

Calling someone Hitler is never acceptable, hopefully one day you'll grow up, but I somehow doubt it



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Fosters said:
If you want to be in a union and enjoy it, more power to you. I simply cannot fathom the justification for forcing your way of life onto someone else, simply so that your union has more power squeezing those evil bastards that are putting a roof over your head.
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What exactly do you mean by this statement?

OZ
 
Fosters said:
I keep my attempts at humor in the joke thread. Probably where you should put your threats. Really, I'm on your "watch list"? :eek:



Obviously you have mistaken me for someone else. I don't take kindly to suggestions regarding where an owner should put his "threats", so in the spirit of Christmas giving,, have a nice vacation see you next year. BTW it wasn't a threat, it was a promise!
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Fosters said:
Exactly what I've been saying all along. The only way the unions obtain higher wages and benefit is by blackmailing employers with shutting down operations, and they do it via laws that make it hard for an employer to fight back (such as not being allowed to replace someone on strike). If employees were good, they would succeed on their own merit, by negotiating their own wages and benefits, like the other 88.6% of the country that's not unionized.

People who are willing to force their views onto others for their own personal benefit under the pretense of it being for the greater good, do not impress me.
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Okay, just wasn't getting your point.

OZ
 
MERCMAN said:
Fosters said:
I keep my attempts at humor in the joke thread. Probably where you should put your threats. Really, I'm on your "watch list"? :eek:



Obviously you have mistaken me for someone else. I don't take kindly to suggestions regarding where an owner should put his "threats", so in the spirit of Christmas giving,, have a nice vacation see you next year. BTW it wasn't a threat, it was a promise!
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Saw this one coming....:cool:
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Fosters said:
Exactly what I've been saying all along. The only way the unions obtain higher wages and benefit is by blackmailing employers with shutting down operations, and they do it via laws that make it hard for an employer to fight back (such as not being allowed to replace someone on strike). If employees were good, they would succeed on their own merit, by negotiating their own wages and benefits, like the other 88.6% of the country that's not unionized.

People who are willing to force their views onto others for their own personal benefit under the pretense of it being for the greater good, do not impress me.
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Renegotiating their own wages and benefits? Are you serious?

Again, I worked for a large Wall Street firm, an international company with branches around the world, and a large United States Property/Casualty Insurance Company. Both non-union.

Wage time: "here it is". In other words, if you don't like it, we'll get a replacement.

Benefits: "here's the Human Resouces handbook. Please review it."

Renegotiate benefits? They'll give me a better health plan or more vacation than the other 15,000 workers, and all I have to do is show my worthiness?

Never happen. They can't, unless you're in the upper echelon.

I guess if I'm making Pizzas, I might squeeze an extra 40 cents an hour out of the Pizza parlor owner, but in the corporate world?

It's all $$$.

For union's personal benefit?

Bosses/managers/owners/CEOs aren't doing what is best for their personal benefit?

And, agreed, a union that pushes too far will push itself out of business if the business fails.

That's why it's called a "negotiation".

Just because 88.6% of the workers aren't organized, that doesn't mean they have the ability to negotiate on their own.
 
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Cheeseheadbob said:
Alrighty now... how 'bout we change gears and start a discussion about civil unions? :lol:
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Bob, always wondered where they came up with that term, especially for couples together for more than 10 years; I've seen a bunch that are anything BUT civil...




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Fosters said:
Look, you and everyone you work with may be the exception to the rule, but unfortunately, it doesn't change what unions have done to this country lately.

GM bankrupt. Mismanagement, low sales from a lousy reputation and product, plus mergers with other companies cost them with a weak economy.
Chrysler bankrupt. Mismanagement, low sales from cars nobody wanted.
Hostess bankrupt. Mismanagement, low sales from people eating healthier
Education is in the toilet, and the costs are sky high. (despite every teacher I talk to having nothing but grade A students). What does have to do with the teachers union??
Violence at rallys.
Threats to politicians and their families. People's livelyhood is being threatened, some take things too far in a situation. Doesn't mean the entire union is to blame.

If you want to be in a union and enjoy it, more power to you. I simply cannot fathom the justification for forcing your way of life onto someone else, simply so that your union has more power squeezing those evil bastards that are putting a roof over your head.
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Those "evil bastards" SIGNED A CONTRACT AND AGREED TO THE TERMS!!!! There is always a negotiation and a agreement between the union and the business. Unions set the pay scale for non union companies as well, otherwise a non union company wouldn't have anyone work for them by paying minimum wage compared to a union shop. There are a lot of things that unions have done over the years for the work force, but only the negative aspects are always brought up.
 
For the record, my Union went from 2003 to 2012 without a contract. Binding arbitration award for 03-04, no pay increases from 2005 to 2012. We continued to work with less and less as budgets were cut each year.

In 2011 we fired the union and formed our own. Through genuine good faith negociations we had a contract in hand in 60 days. Then, per normal, they stole half the back pay in taxes... what a country.
 
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