Virginia State Police get Dodge Chargers

Mopar Boy said:
Bog Merc I agree that a lot of depts have tried replacing the Vic and then gone back too it over the room inside. You can place a lot of equipment inside the Vic. But when it comes to repair bills on cars the Chevy, with us, has a lower repair bill than the Vic. The Vics eat the hell out of brakes like a fat person eats at a buffet. PLus the tranny can be a problem after 50K not to mention the intakes cracking, blowing spark plugs out of the heads and the power steering leaking problems. I'm not a fan of the Impala over it being to small inside the cabin compaired to the Vic and the FWD. Plus the Vic will out perform the Impala in a lot of areas. The handling of the Vic is very nice and the ride is good also.

RCSignals I hate to say but getting up to speed it takes a while. When it does get up there it is very stable though. When Ford changed out the rear suspension set up to the Lincolns (I cant remember the name) the handling became a lot more stable.

Big Merc did you sya Ballistic Shields??? Thats a new one on me. I haven't heard anyone at our garage or fleet management talk about that option.
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Most of those 'problems' don't apply to the newer CVPIs.

I'm surprised at what you say about the Chev repair cost history. I've always heard the opposite.

the CVPI may not get to speed as quick as a MM, but I still wouldn't call it a slouch. Acceleration once at hwy speed is quite good.
 
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RCSignals
I'm surprised at what you say about the Chev repair cost history. I've always heard the opposite.
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Trust me I was as suprised also. I talked with the fleet manager and I couldn't see how a FWD could be less, so I talked with one of my retired buds. Who is in the garage office and he told me it was true. Then he gave me the bad news, they were going to order more. :(

I guess on the speed it could be a personnel thing. To me if a car can't run at least a 14 second 1/4 mile then its slow.

I was looking for a video that was up on the web but I could not find it. It was of a newer Daytona Charger running low 14's at the track and then he went out on the street doing a top end run at 145mph. :down: He ended up getting busted by SHP but the car didnt look like it was struggling to bad at the high speed.

I was in a chase with a girl in a Honda Accord who I had clocked at 110MPH at night on a local Interstate. It took me over 5 miles to catch up with her and there is only two reasons she stopped. The interstate running out, where it was under construction, and her telling me she had to slow down over the front end of her car shaking when she got over 120MPH.
 
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come on youse guys!...

RaceLegend79 said:
I dont know about anyone else but I had my CVPI well over 140 and climbing with 2 other passengers so I know that top is not a problem as long as you dont have the big topper on your roof, they do provide sufficent drag to stall you at 130 to 140.
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I understand there are some places (such as a desert, Tejas, Big Sky Country Montana, etc.) where you can blow out the carbon, but if you police officers are going to attempt an 'intercept" at over 120 mph, you damn sure better be chasing a child molester with a bus-load of Kindergarteners! :nono:

T-bone my mammy while doing triple digits and I will "own" a big chunk of your a*s, and $1million+ from your city, county, or state budget. :eek:

I thought high speed chases were being limited/restricted by police department policies? :banned:

I have, in my mis-spent youth, buried the speedo needle (120 mph+) in my '66 7 Litre Galaxie. I don't care how good of a driver you are, when you get over 100 mph, things happen so fast that the public and driver are at great risk.
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GreekGod you are absolutely correct... My listed chase was at 3:00 AM with only me and the suspect on the road. If it would have been during the day with a lot of traffic on the road then No Chase. Just let him/she go and hope for the best. That's what the public wants and most of the P.D. now a days.
 
Quote" you police officers are going to attempt an 'intercept" at over 120 mph, you damn sure better be chasing a child molester with a bus-load of Kindergarteners!" End Quote


Ahhhh another genius that knows my business better than I do. Look I don't tell you how to change oil don't tell me how to police.


It's a simple idea of mind over matter, I don't mind and YOU don't matter.
 
BigMerc said:
Quote" you police officers are going to attempt an 'intercept" at over 120 mph, you damn sure better be chasing a child molester with a bus-load of Kindergarteners!" End Quote


Ahhhh another genius that knows my business better than I do. Look I don't tell you how to change oil don't tell me how to police.


It's a simple idea of mind over matter, I don't mind and YOU don't matter.
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Ahh, I see! You protect and serve on your terms! Well, I say, you do as you will, and the law will do as it does.

I hope you don't think you are the law? My brother informed me the old saying is "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride", but he was talking about prostitutes.

Another saying I am sure you know is " tell it to the judge".
 
What is it with you and large fonts?

I'm just saying, stay out of things you know NOTHING about. There are professional people who are highly trained, let them do their duty. You stand back and kibitz or mow the lawn, anything you're good at, but let the people who have sworn to enforce the law do it as they see it. You?...you don't factor into it
 
GreekGod I have heard where you are coming from before.

LEO work is dangerous!!! You have to be willing to pursue the bad people because they are doing bad things. If you only prosecute the subjects that don't resist then these people will start resisting because they know that they can get away.

I always remember what Edmund Burke said All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

When LEOs are told to stand back and do nothing, I ask then why have them out there!!!

I guess some parking tickets need to be written or maybe a ticket for parking on your front lawn instead...:shake:
 
a failure to communicate...

...What we have here is a failure to communicate. I'm no liberal when it comes to enforcement.

When a chase gets over 100 mph, it greatly endangers the public. I'm all for calling in a helicopter and taking out the perp with a 50 cal.

My brother taught State law to Metro police officers in Las Vegas, NV. We have had many discussions over law enforcement.

My best friend from high school is retired from the Michigan State Police. He has told me how dangerous it can be. He patrolled (solo) in a Mustang on I94 out of Jackson, MI, specializing in drug courier interdiction between Benton Harbor and Detroit. His (also retired) wife was a detective at the same post. I admit I only know a little.

Where is Sgt. Mac when you need him?
 
GreekGod said:
I understand there are some places (such as a desert, Tejas, Big Sky Country Montana, etc.) where you can blow out the carbon, but if you police officers are going to attempt an 'intercept" at over 120 mph, you damn sure better be chasing a child molester with a bus-load of Kindergarteners! :nono:

T-bone my mammy while doing triple digits and I will "own" a big chunk of your a*s, and $1million+ from your city, county, or state budget. :eek:

I thought high speed chases were being limited/restricted by police department policies? :banned:

I have, in my mis-spent youth, buried the speedo needle (120 mph+) in my '66 7 Litre Galaxie. I don't care how good of a driver you are, when you get over 100 mph, things happen so fast that the public and driver are at great risk.
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^^^BRILLLLIANT^^^
 
Mopar Boy said:
Trust me I was as suprised also. I talked with the fleet manager and I couldn't see how a FWD could be less, so I talked with one of my retired buds. Who is in the garage office and he told me it was true. Then he gave me the bad news, they were going to order more. :(

I guess on the speed it could be a personnel thing. To me if a car can't run at least a 14 second 1/4 mile then its slow.

I was looking for a video that was up on the web but I could not find it. It was of a newer Daytona Charger running low 14's at the track and then he went out on the street doing a top end run at 145mph. :down: He ended up getting busted by SHP but the car didnt look like it was struggling to bad at the high speed.

I was in a chase with a girl in a Honda Accord who I had clocked at 110MPH at night on a local Interstate. It took me over 5 miles to catch up with her and there is only two reasons she stopped. The interstate running out, where it was under construction, and her telling me she had to slow down over the front end of her car shaking when she got over 120MPH.
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Still surprises me about the repair record. Very much so.
Is this over the same period of time/mileage for each vehicle?
I doesn't make sense. Maybe they've found a magic formula.

It isn't easy to tell if a car is struggling at a roll, but when it can't pull away, and you can gain even a little, it's an indicator.

I'm not knocking the new RWD mopars. I'm happy they took the step to move from FWD

that girl is lucky her Honda didn't disintegrate
 
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"When a chase gets over 100 mph, it greatly endangers the public. I'm all for calling in a helicopter and taking out the perp with a 50 cal."


Oh ok don't chase them, just spray 50 caliber rounds in a populated area from an aerial platform! that clears it up for me, for a minute there I thought you weren't right in the head:rofl: :rofl:
 
More info...

More info is good - Check out this report:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MSP_Eval_146823_7.pdf

The Charger has a 5 speed auto and 2.82 axle ratio. 345 HP and 390 ft lbs of torque - thats a tad bit more than 250 hp and 297 ft lbs. the vic has.


I think it's about time Ford puts more power under the hood. The Dodge is a serious competitor - at least in the performance arena. I can't speak to durability/upkeep costs. Ford has engines that could get the job done like the Charger. How about the V10 or a 5.4 SOHC or DOHC? With a 5 or 6 speed auto? My bet is unless the Charger starts killing them in sales Ford won't do a thing - and even then it's a maybe.
 
If Chrysler takes over the Police vehicle market ( As in the 60's, 70's and 80"s) Ford will be in serious trouble. IMO.
 
RCSignals

Still surprises me about the repair record. Very much so.
Is this over the same period of time/mileage for each vehicle?
I doesn't make sense. Maybe they've found a magic formula.
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It was over the same period of time new vehicle for new vehicle. I know they were very worried at first about the Impala's engine that the oil was being sent off and checked. After a while they stopped telling us the engine oil was checking out ok. I dont know what the formula is here but I guess the cars like it. I'll still take the Vic or the Impala. ;) But that Charger, I would like to give so time in the drivers seat.

04MEMA good find:cool: I was searching for that report but I couldn't find it.
 
jgc61sr2002 said:
If Chrysler takes over the Police vehicle market ( As in the 60's, 70's and 80"s) Ford will be in serious trouble. IMO.
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I'm not so sure Chrysler 'took over' the Police market in those years. I do know some departments used them because their base level was cheap, and most were 6's
Ford remains the first in that market with a police specific vehicle, from the Model A era, and the only to have a continuous presence in that market.
 
04MEMA said:
More info is good

The Charger has a 5 speed auto and 2.82 axle ratio. 345 HP and 390 ft lbs of torque - thats a tad bit more than 250 hp and 297 ft lbs. the vic has.

I think it's about time Ford puts more power under the hood. The Dodge is a serious competitor - at least in the performance arena. I can't speak to durability/upkeep costs. Ford has engines that could get the job done like the Charger. How about the V10 or a 5.4 SOHC or DOHC? With a 5 or 6 speed auto? My bet is unless the Charger starts killing them in sales Ford won't do a thing - and even then it's a maybe.
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We can all hope the new Hurricane V8, with a 6 speed auto, goes in the '08 or '09 Crown Vic. It will probably show up in the F series first.
 
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