Not so poor pt 2

[bugsyc]

that mother and daughter pair certainly look like they are starving

 

[Cheeseheadbob]

I am in no way condoning the permanent welfare state and all of the nonsense it entails, but the truth of the matter is, that unhealthy, high sugar/high carb foods are significantly less expensive than high protein foods and vegetables, thus the preponderance of overweight people among the poor. The $102.00 can buy a whole lot of pasta, but not a lot of pork chops, chicken, pot roast and milk. It is not an issue of gluttony on the public's dime, it is a matter of diet. Most who know me, know that I am pretty conservative on most issues, but one of my pet peeves is the public's perception that a poor, very overweight person has their head buried in a plate of food all day. I have worked with the poor and homeless, as a volunteer, for many years, and I do have quite a bit of first hand knowledge regarding this subject.

Just like anything, there are three sides to every story, and I am sure there are some poor folks who do eat all day, but I just wanted to give this my perspective. -Bob

that mother and daughter pair certainly look like they are starving

 

[TooManyFords]

Hey bob, pass me the Cheetos will ya?

 

[duhtroll]

I don't see data listed.

"Absolutely no cost, requires no contracts or credit checks and offers modern day calling features such as voicemail, call waiting, text messaging, carry-over minutes, free 411, and international calling to 60 countries at no additional cost."

TMF - you must be seeing a much larger, clearer picture than I am to notice the shoes. Is there a "free shoe program?" I want in on that one.

If you're poor enough in Baltimore, you can get a free cell phone w/ free minutes and data:


http://baltimore.thebeehive.org/special-features/free-cell-phone-program

 

[DEFYANT]

I don't see data listed.

"Absolutely no cost, requires no contracts or credit checks and offers modern day calling features such as voicemail, call waiting, text messaging, carry-over minutes, free 411, and international calling to 60 countries at no additional cost."

TMF - you must be seeing a much larger, clearer picture than I am to notice the shoes. Is there a "free shoe program?" I want in on that one.

Sorry, thought text messages, along with everything else they get for free here was "data". My bad.

 

[Bigdogjim]

Yes there is

TMF - you must be seeing a much larger, clearer picture than I am to notice the shoes. Is there a "free shoe program?" I want in on that one.

I am in the free shoe program One pair a year

 

[rayjay]

Bread Winner....​

I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning. He told me that a woman in her 20s came to the ER with her 8th pregnancy. She stated, "my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."​

He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money for the family. It goes like this: The grandma calls the Department of Child and Family Services and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for these children. DCFS agrees and states that the child or children will need to go to foster care. ​

The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois .. ​

Total yearly income: ​

$144,000 tax-free, not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month. This does not even include WIC and other welfare programs..Indeed, grandma was correct in that her fertile daughter is the "breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the ruling class spends our tax dollars. ​

Sebastian J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist, Danville Polyclinic, LTD​

Is this a GREAT COUNTRY or what...​

Don't forget to pay your taxes!!!​

There are a lot of Breadwinners depending on you & me ​

​

From an email I received this morning.... very sad if true.​

 

[Vortex]

Bread Winner....​

I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning. He told me that a woman in her 20s came to the ER with her 8thpregnancy. She stated, "my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."​

He asked her to explain. She said that she can make babies and babies get money for the family. It goes like this: The grandma calls the Department of Child and Family Services and states that the unemployed daughter is not capable of caring for these children. DCFS agrees and states that the child or children will need to go to foster care. ​

The grandma then volunteers to be the foster parent, and thus receives a check for $1500 per child per month in Illinois .. ​

Total yearly income: ​

$144,000 tax-free,not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid) plus a monthly card entitling her to free groceries, etc, and a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month. This does not even include WIC and other welfare programs..Indeed, grandma was correct in that her fertile daughter is the "breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the ruling class spends our tax dollars. ​

​

Sebastian J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist, Danville Polyclinic, LTD​

Is this a GREAT COUNTRY or what...​

Don't forget to pay your taxes!!!​

There are a lot of Breadwinners depending on you & me ​

From an email I received this morning.... very sad if true.​

This seems to me to be actually more of an example of a district attorney's office too lazy to prosecute welfare fraud cases (probably because they have set some sort of "prosecutorial guidelines" malarky).

 

[Bigdogjim]

A few years back NJ Gov. C.Witman try to pass a reform that no more money for "new" babys if your on welfare. Needless to say it was shot down and the the Governor smack by the press.

 

[Spectragod]

I am in no way condoning the permanent welfare state and all of the nonsense it entails, but the truth of the matter is, that unhealthy, high sugar/high carb foods are significantly less expensive than high protein foods and vegetables, thus the preponderance of overweight people among the poor. The $102.00 can buy a whole lot of pasta, but not a lot of pork chops, chicken, pot roast and milk. It is not an issue of gluttony on the public's dime, it is a matter of diet. Most who know me, know that I am pretty conservative on most issues, but one of my pet peeves is the public's perception that a poor, very overweight person has their head buried in a plate of food all day. I have worked with the poor and homeless, as a volunteer, for many years, and I do have quite a bit of first hand knowledge regarding this subject.

Just like anything, there are three sides to every story, and I am sure there are some poor folks who do eat all day, but I just wanted to give this my perspective. -Bob

This is absolutly correct. But, the 5 lazy fu*ks that live across the street from me:mad2:, Momma about 28, her back is so hurt that she can't work, or take care of the 3 kids she made, her boyfriend, he gets disability to take care of the kids, because she can't. New Escalade sitting in the driveway of their goverment paid for home. The woman that is so hurt, but yet she cuts the grass and hedges(they asked my 67 yo neighbor to do it for them, he refused). Sleep all day, every light on at night, out in the yard till 4-5 am talking on their free cell phones, hangin out with ther "friends". 10 times more trash every week than anyone else in the neighborhood, because "it's all free, if we don"t like it, we throw it out", yep, I feel bad for them.:shake:

 

[Fosters]

This is absolutly correct. But, the 5 lazy fu*ks that live across the street from me:mad2:, Momma about 28, her back is so hurt that she can't work, or take care of the 3 kids she made, her boyfriend, he gets disability to take care of the kids, because she can't. New Escalade sitting in the driveway of their goverment paid for home. The woman that is so hurt, but yet she cuts the grass and hedges(they asked my 67 yo neighbor to do it for them, he refused). Sleep all day, every light on at night, out in the yard till 4-5 am talking on their free cell phones, hangin out with ther "friends". 10 times more trash every week than anyone else in the neighborhood, because "it's all free, if we don"t like it, we throw it out", yep, I feel bad for them.:shake:

Yup... I have worked with deaf people (data entry operators), blind people (answering 1800 phone lines), and people in wheelchairs (same thing, 1800 hotel reservation phone line). If you want to work, there's work to do. It may not be the pay you'd like, or it may be out of your comfort zone as far as commute or hours, but bottom line is, claiming an accident 17 years ago leaving her disabled (which from the picture and article, doesn't look like she's disabled) and depressed rendering her unable to work is absolute bs.

 

[rayjay]

Yup... I have worked with deaf people (data entry operators), blind people (answering 1800 phone lines), and people in wheelchairs (same thing, 1800 hotel reservation phone line). If you want to work, there's work to do. It may not be the pay you'd like, or it may be out of your comfort zone as far as commute or hours, but bottom line is, claiming an accident 17 years ago leaving her disabled (which from the picture and article, doesn't look like she's disabled) and depressed rendering her unable to work is absolute bs.

Hmmm, I retired from LE after 34 yrs last August. Right after MV8 I told them I'd come back part time. That quickly turned into almost full time. Then a problem with my back resurfaced. Saw the Doc thinking my sacrum was dislocated again. Wrong, I had worked the past 21 months with a spine broken in two places and didn't know it until it let go. Certainly explained the pain I was in that whole time. Fast forward to now, I'm 7 months out of major surgery with at least another 5 months before I "may" have healed. I can never work in LE again. I do my lawn work and putter around the house with the odd jobs I'm capable of doing. The whole thing is driving me nuts... I want to go back to work doing something, but at this point the longest I can do anything is about 3/4 of an hour. FWIW, that includes sitting. I hate it.

I must have a branch of Spectragod's neigbors family living next to me. They can't work because they have children... They told that to my 81 year old neighbor, they didn't dare tell me that... :mad2:Not a damn thing wrong with either of em, except being lazy. One of them usually works 2-3 months a year so they can remain eligible to collect as much social services as possible. What a freaking scam. The moron husband usually shows up drunk at where ever his wife is working, creates a scene, and she gets fired. This has happened too many times to be unintentional. He can't take a job because he can't take orders from other people. He is border line certifiable. I continue to hope against hope that he'll wreck his 4 wheeler. 60mph, no helmet, on a gravel road and he has not croaked himself yet. You know we are paying for the gas for that POS to run up and down the roads with no exhaust on it. I won't even go into the three more mutts they spawned to learn the system. Seems if you are enough of a problem, they don't care if you send your kids to school...

 

[DEFYANT]

FOr good measure, when they get locked up, they are entitled to a public defender. So Mr. and Mrs. tax payer is paying to prosecute and defend the criminal! Great system!

 

[MrBluGruv]

I am in no way condoning the permanent welfare state and all of the nonsense it entails, but the truth of the matter is, that unhealthy, high sugar/high carb foods are significantly less expensive than high protein foods and vegetables, thus the preponderance of overweight people among the poor. The $102.00 can buy a whole lot of pasta, but not a lot of pork chops, chicken, pot roast and milk. It is not an issue of gluttony on the public's dime, it is a matter of diet. Most who know me, know that I am pretty conservative on most issues, but one of my pet peeves is the public's perception that a poor, very overweight person has their head buried in a plate of food all day. I have worked with the poor and homeless, as a volunteer, for many years, and I do have quite a bit of first hand knowledge regarding this subject.

Just like anything, there are three sides to every story, and I am sure there are some poor folks who do eat all day, but I just wanted to give this my perspective. -Bob

I don't know, it's one thing to be overweight, but it's another thing to be morbidly obese. I eat fast food minimum 3-4 times a week, often more than that, I'm ashamed of it but it's easier to do and I haven't mustered the effort to learn to cook healthy meal choices. All that being said, I'm 6' around 225 and my waist is a size 34. Up until the past few weeks I never had a regular workout routine, and I had pretty much sustained that diet for about 2-3 years. I have a very hard time believing, even if you are eating food that is less-than-preferable for a healthy lifestyle, you could get THAT large without eating a fair bit more than you need every single time you have a meal. It only becomes partly believable if you factor in a lifestyle that the word "sedentary" could only begin to describe...

I just don't fully buy it.

 

[TooManyFords]

I don't know, it's one thing to be overweight, but it's another thing to be morbidly obese.

Careful there. You should see the T-Shirt order form for a Marauderville event and count the 2X, 3X, 4X and 5X orders

 

[Fosters]

I don't know, it's one thing to be overweight, but it's another thing to be morbidly obese. I eat fast food minimum 3-4 times a week, often more than that, I'm ashamed of it but it's easier to do and I haven't mustered the effort to learn to cook healthy meal choices. All that being said, I'm 6' around 225 and my waist is a size 34. Up until the past few weeks I never had a regular workout routine, and I had pretty much sustained that diet for about 2-3 years. I have a very hard time believing, even if you are eating food that is less-than-preferable for a healthy lifestyle, you could get THAT large without eating a fair bit more than you need every single time you have a meal. It only becomes partly believable if you factor in a lifestyle that the word "sedentary" could only begin to describe...

I just don't fully buy it.

Not to mention, if you and I didn't have a car, walking everywhere would easily keep us even more in shape...

 

[duhtroll]

Try that at age 35 and let us know how that goes.

I don't know, it's one thing to be overweight, but it's another thing to be morbidly obese. I eat fast food minimum 3-4 times a week, often more than that, I'm ashamed of it but it's easier to do and I haven't mustered the effort to learn to cook healthy meal choices. All that being said, I'm 6' around 225 and my waist is a size 34. Up until the past few weeks I never had a regular workout routine, and I had pretty much sustained that diet for about 2-3 years. I have a very hard time believing, even if you are eating food that is less-than-preferable for a healthy lifestyle, you could get THAT large without eating a fair bit more than you need every single time you have a meal. It only becomes partly believable if you factor in a lifestyle that the word "sedentary" could only begin to describe...

I just don't fully buy it.

 

[Vortex]

I don't know, it's one thing to be overweight, but it's another thing to be morbidly obese. I eat fast food minimum 3-4 times a week, often more than that, I'm ashamed of it but it's easier to do and I haven't mustered the effort to learn to cook healthy meal choices. All that being said, I'm 6' around 225 and my waist is a size 34. Up until the past few weeks I never had a regular workout routine, and I had pretty much sustained that diet for about 2-3 years. I have a very hard time believing, even if you are eating food that is less-than-preferable for a healthy lifestyle, you could get THAT large without eating a fair bit more than you need every single time you have a meal. It only becomes partly believable if you factor in a lifestyle that the word "sedentary" could only begin to describe...

I just don't fully buy it.

You don't buy it because you are 22 years old. Wait a couple of decades.

To the general point of obesity/laziness/welfare, I think it's a combination of these things. I'm old enough to remember when you had to go the Mexico to get a divorce, getting pregnant out of marriage was damn near a crime and a working Mom was pretty damn unusual. The clock will not go backwards but we can do a better job of bringing kids into the world thats for sure. I agree the welfare state is a mess and needs fixing. I also think the very rich are not paying their fair share in taxes and havent been in the past 20 years or so. We should bring back the tax rates of 1975. I think one of the biggest problems we have is an uncontrolled border flooding the country with illegal workers who will not complain about minimal wages. We need something that ties public support to a work requirement. If the excuse is "kids" then we should fund preschool/daycare things (with buses) so there are no excuses why one cannot go to work. While we're at it we need to "declare victory" in Iraq and Afganistan and get the hell out of there. We dont need a giant US embassy and 5 consulates in Iraq. We should tell Japan and Germany we are gone, no more US bases. We should close US embassies in dinky countries and combine them into regional embassies. We should institute a two (2) year National Service requirement for all Americans between the ages of 18-20 (not only the military but social service because some folks arent cut out for the military). We should end any future manned space program(s). We should combine the Coast Guard with the US Navy. We should legalize marijuana. We should bring back hanging as the only approved method of the death penalty. We should support union labor rights. Hey, my coffee was good this am!

 

[kernie]

You don't buy it because you are 22 years old. Wait a couple of decades.

To the general point of obesity/laziness/welfare, I think it's a combination of these things. I'm old enough to remember when you had to go the Mexico to get a divorce, getting pregnant out of marriage was damn near a crime and a working Mom was pretty damn unusual. The clock will not go backwards but we can do a better job of bringing kids into the world thats for sure. I agree the welfare state is a mess and needs fixing. I also think the very rich are not paying their fair share in taxes and havent been in the past 20 years or so. We should bring back the tax rates of 1975. I think one of the biggest problems we have is an uncontrolled border flooding the country with illegal workers who will not complain about minimal wages. We need something that ties public support to a work requirement. If the excuse is "kids" then we should fund preschool/daycare things (with buses) so there are no excuses why one cannot go to work. While we're at it we need to "declare victory" in Iraq and Afganistan and get the hell out of there. We dont need a giant US embassy and 5 consulates in Iraq. We should tell Japan and Germany we are gone, no more US bases. We should close US embassies in dinky countries and combine them into regional embassies. We should institute a two (2) year National Service requirement for all Americans between the ages of 18-20 (not only the military but social service because some folks arent cut out for the military). We should end any future manned space program(s). We should combine the Coast Guard with the US Navy. We should legalize marijuana. We should bring back hanging as the only approved method of the death penalty. We should support union labor rights. Hey, my coffee was good this am!

Best political post iv'e seen in a long time!

:beer:

 

[rayjay]

We should bring back capital punishment in NYS period. Public hangings make a great deterrent for those who do not understand conseqeunces for their actions.