Health Care, Obama.....

duhtroll said:
OK first of all, please post the actual text of the actual law in your state that explains the inheritance tax if you want to discuss it. And since when does inheriting money mean you earned it?
I think "inheritance" is the OPPOSITE of earning it.
You are being given money by someone who died.
How are you entitled to that again? How did you earn it?

Secondly, *I* am not the one whining about the laws here. So it seems I am happy here while you are not.

No, you are just the sucker who supports the government taking money from you just because you died....:shake:

Good luck in your new country.

I already live in it! It is 'changing' into the "Socialist Republic of America" and "Mexico North".
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WOW again!

So the government earned the rights to it because the inheritors didn't???
The government is entitled to it???

Scary, scary thought process you have.
 
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duhtroll said:
I'm just gonna take a guess and say that if you have investments, you probably aren't worrying about your next meal.

Would you rather make $12,000 a year and pay no taxes or make $250,000 a year and only net $120K? Working the same number of hours, of course.
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I'd rather work hard and smart to earn a good living and then be able to keep a majority of it for myself.
You keep defending low wage earners as if they are forced to work in those jobs.
Get an education, work hard and work smart and you can make a great living.
Heck, you can be brainless and work full time at WalMart or McDonald's and make $20,000/yr.
 
I was just reading this in the local rag, interesting, welcome home docs.

SARNIA — A growing number of disgruntled doctors are leaving the U.S. and returning to Ontario, a Sarnia-Lambton physician recruiter says.
Cindy Scholten Tuesday introduced Dr. Igor Nedic, the fourth physician from Michigan to recently relocate to Sarnia. Nedic, 52, will start accepting patients on Friday at the office he shares with Dr. Charlie Monk on Mara St. in Point Edward.
After establishing a family practice in his hometown for 13 years, Nedic left Sarnia in 1997.
“When I left in the late 1990s, there was a very unpleasant atmosphere between the medical community and OHIP. What transpired in Ontario then is about to transpire in the U.S. There is much tension between insurance providers, Medicaid, and the medical community.”

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/06/29/14559211.html
 
duhtroll said:
I'm just gonna take a guess and say that if you have investments, you probably aren't worrying about your next meal.

Would you rather make $12,000 a year and pay no taxes or make $250,000 a year and only net $120K? Working the same number of hours, of course.
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Your little comment there makes it sound that if I make $120K a year that I don't work that hard or put in that many hours. $120K puts you right in the middle class, that is by far the hardest working class. To earn money, it takes ambition. I wanted nice things in my life, and want my family to have the best things available, so I bust my butt to move up the ladder and I work really hard it. Like the thousands of people that have been laid off and have to scramble from one side job to the next to try and put food on their table.

Further more, If I receive an inheritance, I absolutely earned it. My family earned it and there were sacrifices I had to make so that my father could earn that money. A parent works hard to provide for their family and their retirement, when their money is left over, why can't I give it to my children to continue providing for them after I am gone?
I paid taxes on it when I earned it. Follow this little formula

I paid 40% taxes on the money when I earned, my kids pay 55% when they inherit it, leaving an over all value of 5% from what was originally earned. (I realize that is not actually case, and it's funny math) But I am illustrating a point, in the end the governement gets more of my money than I do, that's not right.

The market has a tendency to set value in terms of salaries for a position. So if the market I am in, set's my value at $120K, the government takes $48K, that leaves me with $72K and your saying I should be happy about it?

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duhtroll said:
Did cousin Jethro tell you this or do you have actual evidence?
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I'm going to assume the cousin Jethro thing is an attempt to imply I'm a hillbilly? (No offense to any toothless rednecks) If so, **** you. See? I can devolve just as easily as you can, but I'm not afraid to actually say what I feel.
As for actual evidence, two of the welders here were talking about it one day, and one was telling us about the "retarded" check his parents got for him, because if you test low enough at school, you are considered mentally disabled or challenged, and the parents get paid. The kids still go to a regular school, they just take a couple different classes during the day. They also told me a bunch of other ways they get MY tax dollars. One of the guys' "ho's" is a single mother (have to be single, marriage takes away some of the freebies) getting free housing, $650 for utilities and such, more than that in food stamps (here in VA it is called EBT "snap" benefits), SSI (supplemental social security) free lawyer if needed, she works a night job off the books (cutting hair somewhere), has her brother living there collecting unemployment and also working a job off the books during the day (he watches the kids at night while she works), and she has 6 kids, the oldest 2 who are in school earn "retarded" checks, just like the welder I was talking to did. And he's no dummy, could probably be structural engineer if he applied for it thru our company. said "Why do you even mess around with her?" He said "Cause she's got money." That is the kind of **** I do not think I, or anyone else, should have money taken from them to support. Not half, not a third, not one damn penny.

duhtroll said:
OK now you are just being ridiculous.

What percentage should be taken? 40%? 30%?

By the same logic you just posted, no one should pay taxes because no one gets back the dollars they put in. Yeah, even all those poor leeches people keep complaining about.

Heck, I haven't ever needed to call the fire department so I shouldn't pay for them. Why am I paying to save other people's lives? Screw them!

I don't need police either. I'll just buy lots of guns and shoot anyone I don't like. Don't need roads because I'll get a tracked vehicle and just drive wherever. Since there won't be any police, no one can stop me.

I only have one kid and the family next door has three so I shouldn't have to pay as much for schools. Heck people with no children shouldn't have to pay that at all.

This just keeps getting better and better.

Would you guys be happy if we just killed all the poor people? That'll show 'em. Then they would stop ruining your lives.
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You say what I posted was rediculous?! I have no problem paying taxes to support emergency services or Social Security. You lost your job? Wife left and wants to get paid? Got a fat mortgage and can't pay your bills? Lost everything in the stock market? Crashed your car into an innocent family and they sued you for everything? I could care less. You should have had a back up plan. Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Move back in with your parents or your kids. Sell all your toys, do whatever it takes other than asking for half of what I own. I pay my ex-wife $1,500 a month and I could care less because I planned accordingly. Everyone else should do the same.
As for help when needed such as you just got laid off and got hit by a car while walking to the unemplyment office, then yes, I feel sorry for you. Obviously, bad things happen to good people. "Free" health care in this instance is different than a lazy bum or drug addict who never worked, other than working the system, getting free everything. THAT is rediculous.
 
CBT said:
I'm going to assume the cousin Jethro thing is an attempt to imply I'm a hillbilly? (No offense to any toothless rednecks) If so, **** you. See? I can devolve just as easily as you can, but I'm not afraid to actually say what I feel.
As for actual evidence, two of the welders here were talking about it one day, and one was telling us about the "retarded" check his parents got for him, because if you test low enough at school, you are considered mentally disabled or challenged, and the parents get paid. The kids still go to a regular school, they just take a couple different classes during the day. They also told me a bunch of other ways they get MY tax dollars. One of the guys' "ho's" is a single mother (have to be single, marriage takes away some of the freebies) getting free housing, $650 for utilities and such, more than that in food stamps (here in VA it is called EBT "snap" benefits), SSI (supplemental social security) free lawyer if needed, she works a night job off the books (cutting hair somewhere), has her brother living there collecting unemployment and also working a job off the books during the day (he watches the kids at night while she works), and she has 6 kids, the oldest 2 who are in school earn "retarded" checks, just like the welder I was talking to did. And he's no dummy, could probably be structural engineer if he applied for it thru our company. said "Why do you even mess around with her?" He said "Cause she's got money." That is the kind of **** I do not think I, or anyone else, should have money taken from them to support. Not half, not a third, not one damn penny.



You say what I posted was rediculous?! I have no problem paying taxes to support emergency services or Social Security. You lost your job? Wife left and wants to get paid? Got a fat mortgage and can't pay your bills? Lost everything in the stock market? Crashed your car into an innocent family and they sued you for everything? I could care less. You should have had a back up plan. Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Move back in with your parents or your kids. Sell all your toys, do whatever it takes other than asking for half of what I own. I pay my ex-wife $1,500 a month and I could care less because I planned accordingly. Everyone else should do the same.
As for help when needed such as you just got laid off and got hit by a car while walking to the unemplyment office, then yes, I feel sorry for you. Obviously, bad things happen to good people. "Free" health care in this instance is different than a lazy bum or drug addict who never worked, other than working the system, getting free everything. THAT is rediculous.
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AMEN!



One of the inflexible rules of political life is that you get more of whatever you subsidize.
If you subsidize illegitimacy by adding single mothers to the welfare roles, you will get more out-of-wedlock births.
If you subsidize illegal immigration by endless freebies of housing, education and medical care, you will get more illegal immigration.
If you subsidize drug abuse through taxpayer funded treatment programs, you will get more drug abuse.
If you subsidize health care by giving people "free" trips to the emergency room, you'll get more "free" trips to the emergency room.

The same is true with bigger government. We are subsidizing government growth by dumping the responsibility to pay for current spending onto subsequent generations. Our children and grandchildren and generations yet to be born are now heavily subsidizing current out-of-control government spending.

And since we get more of whatever we subsidize, we will get bigger government.

We will get more government spending until we crash and burn like Greece. Irresponsible 'children' on both sides of the aisle have been authorizing unconscionable levels of deficit spending for a decade now, and there isn't enough 'adults' in Washington to do anything about it. Nor is there enough adults in America who are willing to forgo the bennies they're getting from other taxpayers in order to protect their own offspring from a crushing load of debt.

With 47% of all taxpayers shouldering none of the income tax burden of maintaining government, and 40% actually receiving welfare checks at tax time from the 53% of the population that does pay taxes, how are we ever going to stem the tide?


Getting back to this thread's original discussion; the latest government spending debacle, our new Healthcare Bill:
I've said this before but I'll say it again:

We, the voters, are too stupid to realize that the polticians are bribing us with our own tax money.
 
There are ways that you can, of course. Where's the guy talking about planning?

And for the second time, I am not saying the gov't is entitled to it, only that your kids did not earn it.

FordNut said:
Just why is the government entitled to something I earned and worked hard for? Why can't I pass it on to my children unencumbered?
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For the third time, I am not saying the gov't is entitled to it, only that the inheritor didn't earn it.

Joe Walsh said:
WOW again!

So the government earned the rights to it because the inheritors didn't???
The government is entitled to it???

Scary, scary thought process you have.
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You are privileged.

Almost everyone here is. It is obvious you came from a place where you had the things you needed when you were a child.

Statistically, you're simply incorrect when you insinuate that everyone can just go out and work harder, get a better education, and get a higher paying job.

You really do appear to have no idea what growing up in a low-income family means and what it does to your chances of making these things possible. Impossible? No. Just a LOT harder.

You know what the tax rules are, and if you don't like it is appears you have the means to move. Or do you think ANY political body in your lifetime is going to change the tax code so you get to keep most of your money?

Joe Walsh said:
I'd rather work hard and smart to earn a good living and then be able to keep a majority of it for myself.
You keep defending low wage earners as if they are forced to work in those jobs.
Get an education, work hard and work smart and you can make a great living.
Heck, you can be brainless and work full time at WalMart or McDonald's and make $20,000/yr.
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I can speak for myself, thanks. But the arguments on here only work if you guys get to speak for me, so keep trying.


Leadfoot281 said:
Perhaps you're also in favor of fedzilla taxing any birthday present you give your kids too? Fair is fair, right?

I think the point duhtroll is trying to make here is this;

If you own a Movie theater, don't open two or three more.
If you own a 5 bay car wash, don't expand it to 7.
If you run a small factory, don't hire more people.
If you sold a million albums, retire.
If your voice can fill a stadium, STFU.
If you risked your money on stocks, don't keep the rewards.
If you own 50 cows, shoot 25 of them.
If you have 20 employess, fire 10 of them.
If you work hard, slack off.
If you're successful, screw up.
If you can, leave America for some place that actually wants you. America does not want you. Hard work, long hours, innovation and talent WILL BE PUNISHED.

Move your job, your factories and employees to Mexico, China, or Taiwan where they will welcome you with lower tax rates, less restrictions, less bureaucracy and less red tape. They won't make you pay for the "have nots". These countries won't try to destroy you. We will.

You have been warned...
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I make less than half that in my 3 jobs and I will put my hours up against anyone on this board, hour for hour. Your NET is more than my gross, so yeah, I think you should be happy and stop whining.

Working hard does not equal money. Yeah, I could make more money too, but I don't feel the need for more.

And I'm sorry, but you didn't earn anything that someone else worked for. Nice sense of entitlement, though.

My father was an attorney - has hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't plan to get dollar one from him when he is gone and I have told him as much. I don't have a sense of entitlement that I had to make sacrifices for HIS work, even though he was gone a lot and I had to do lots of work around the house and his office.

Enjoy your nice things. How's the bitterness working out?

PonyUP said:
Your little comment there makes it sound that if I make $120K a year that I don't work that hard or put in that many hours. $120K puts you right in the middle class, that is by far the hardest working class. To earn money, it takes ambition. I wanted nice things in my life, and want my family to have the best things available, so I bust my butt to move up the ladder and I work really hard it. Like the thousands of people that have been laid off and have to scramble from one side job to the next to try and put food on their table.

Further more, If I receive an inheritance, I absolutely earned it. My family earned it and there were sacrifices I had to make so that my father could earn that money. A parent works hard to provide for their family and their retirement, when their money is left over, why can't I give it to my children to continue providing for them after I am gone?
I paid taxes on it when I earned it. Follow this little formula

I paid 40% taxes on the money when I earned, my kids pay 55% when they inherit it, leaving an over all value of 5% from what was originally earned. (I realize that is not actually case, and it's funny math) But I am illustrating a point, in the end the governement gets more of my money than I do, that's not right.

The market has a tendency to set value in terms of salaries for a position. So if the market I am in, set's my value at $120K, the government takes $48K, that leaves me with $72K and your saying I should be happy about it?

:shake:
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1) Cousin Jethro is a TV character.

2) And by your story, yes you have verified it is all hearsay AND in the past, and the person whom you have described sounds even more colorful than the example I provided. Thanks, for that.

Hearsay is fun until someone calls you on the BS.

CBT said:
I'm going to assume the cousin Jethro thing is an attempt to imply I'm a hillbilly? (No offense to any toothless rednecks) If so, **** you. See? I can devolve just as easily as you can, but I'm not afraid to actually say what I feel.
As for actual evidence, two of the welders here were talking about it one day, and one was telling us about the "retarded" check his parents got for him, because if you test low enough at school, you are considered mentally disabled or challenged, and the parents get paid. The kids still go to a regular school, they just take a couple different classes during the day. They also told me a bunch of other ways they get MY tax dollars. One of the guys' "ho's" is a single mother (have to be single, marriage takes away some of the freebies) getting free housing, $650 for utilities and such, more than that in food stamps (here in VA it is called EBT "snap" benefits), SSI (supplemental social security) free lawyer if needed, she works a night job off the books (cutting hair somewhere), has her brother living there collecting unemployment and also working a job off the books during the day (he watches the kids at night while she works), and she has 6 kids, the oldest 2 who are in school earn "retarded" checks, just like the welder I was talking to did. And he's no dummy, could probably be structural engineer if he applied for it thru our company. said "Why do you even mess around with her?" He said "Cause she's got money." That is the kind of **** I do not think I, or anyone else, should have money taken from them to support. Not half, not a third, not one damn penny.



You say what I posted was rediculous?! I have no problem paying taxes to support emergency services or Social Security. You lost your job? Wife left and wants to get paid? Got a fat mortgage and can't pay your bills? Lost everything in the stock market? Crashed your car into an innocent family and they sued you for everything? I could care less. You should have had a back up plan. Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Move back in with your parents or your kids. Sell all your toys, do whatever it takes other than asking for half of what I own. I pay my ex-wife $1,500 a month and I could care less because I planned accordingly. Everyone else should do the same.
As for help when needed such as you just got laid off and got hit by a car while walking to the unemplyment office, then yes, I feel sorry for you. Obviously, bad things happen to good people. "Free" health care in this instance is different than a lazy bum or drug addict who never worked, other than working the system, getting free everything. THAT is rediculous.
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You guys don't read anything, do ya? You just make up what I said and then respond to the straw man.

For the FOURTH time, I am not saying the gov't is entitled to it, only that the inheritor did not earn it.

I conclude that for several of you, complaining IS the end result you desire.



Joe Walsh said:
But you are still OK with the government taking 55% of it?....I just wanted to check.
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