12s N/A possible?

Joe Walsh said:
Just for the record:

My (NON-stock displacement) 5.0 runs 12.9s with 3.55 gears.

I've run multiple 12s* in cool weather with 16" Drag radials giving me an effective rear ratio of 3.89. (*with No weight reductions)

If I had 4.10 gears and the 16" Drag Radials I would have been even deeper into the 12s.

I am running a less than perfect 93 octane tune and I am shifting at 6100 rpm.

In regards to the HP needed to run 12s in a Marauder: I am putting down 325 RWHP/340RWTQ.

That having been said....I think that a 4.6 prepped and modded the way Vortech347 outlined could crack the 12s.

Again, you are going to need some serious RPM and gears.
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Thank you.

Some one with some REAL credibility adding 2c. :bows:

Where's Zack when we need him...doh...that's right...:shake:

Joe Walsh said:
Barry, Do you know what your 60 ft times were when you ran those 13.2s?
I'd like to compare them to my 60 ft times (run with 16" BFG Drag Radials) and see what the difference might have been...
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1.69 IN THE HOUSE!

Blackened300a said:
Just STFU, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. ....
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Damnit you defeated the ignore list purpose in life again.:D
Just ignore the boy looking for an apartment and a garage big enough to house "looking at a boat" already.


Does anyone else see the trend here?
It's the Trilogy blown owners that are in denial here.
We the former faster NA owners turned forced induction vortech are believers...it's the throw down 6k on 16% credit line to run high 12's guys that are in denial. :baaa:

VORTECH: Affordible enough to pay cash...and STILL run 12's.
 
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Blackened300a said:
Just STFU, you dont know what the hell you are talking about.
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HAHAHA!!!! I'm laughing like a nut at 3am and my girl is yelling at me for waking her up.

And... someone will do it on a stock motor. I was a believer as an owner, and still am. Hell, it only takes three mods to get to 13.70 at sea-level (4.10's, LT's, cone filter). Add a converter & slicks for low-low 13's. Then you just have to figure out the last tenth or two (elec water pump, pullies, skinnies, disconnect sway bar, etc...).

Might sound like I'm "over-simplifying" the feat, but that's the way I feel about it. When I get my hands on another 'Rauder I have my setup all picked out.
 
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No Whine?,... How 'bout some cheese?

CRUZTAKER said:
You don't....

I dyno'd 302 to the rear on 94 octane.

I never dyno'd with my race fuel, but I know Lidio added atleast 5 to the spark for my 114 tune. That alone HAD to have added 30 hp to my equation taking me around 330+ NA.

These blower guys are just jealous. I only make like 425 or so without the NOS and run mid 12's all day. I'm not embarrassed to admit it.

I only got a blower because I want to whistle while I work.:P
Note...whistle...not whine.:(

My NA car was plenty fast with 330 rwhp.

Next year I'll show you all what can be done with only 425 rwhp.
And trust me...an ELEVEN won't be in the number.:D
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Does anyone else see the trend here?
It's the Trilogy blown owners that are in denial here.
We the former faster NA owners turned forced induction vortech are believers...it's the throw down 6k on 16% credit line to run high 12's guys that are in denial. :baaa:

VORTECH: Affordible enough to pay cash...and STILL run 12's.(quote)
Not without other supporting mods.ie: slicks, gears and a high stall convertor.
You could take the car to race at sea level in cool temps, if all you want is bragging rights.
The denial seems to lie with some that got close to running twelves N/A.
 
Bradley G said:
Does anyone else see the trend here?
It's the Trilogy blown owners that are in denial here.
We the former faster NA owners turned forced induction vortech are believers...it's the throw down 6k on 16% credit line to run high 12's guys that are in denial. :baaa:

VORTECH: Affordible enough to pay cash...and STILL run 12's.(quote)
Not without other supporting mods.ie: slicks, gears and a high stall convertor.
You could take the car to race at sea level in cool temps, if all you want is bragging rights.
The denial seems to lie with some that got close to running twelves N/A.
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What is this supposed to mean?
 
Vortech347 said:
But to say that its not possible is BS. I know for a fact an N/A stock shortblocked MM could hit 12's no problem.

No one in 5 years has done it because lets face it. Other than 3-4 people that have hardcore MM's everyone else does the "easy stuff" that takes 10 minutes in the driveway to do and thinks thats "modded". Most people bought these cars for cruisers that can go fast, not for a 1/4 mile purpose and don't mod them for that.
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I agree with you that 12s N/A are quite possible but I must disagree when you say most people are doing BS easy mods. Everyone needs a starting point. When I first got my Marauder, I wanted a few things to give it more power (tune, gears). Then I thought, man, this is fun and continued with pulleys, water pump, valve body kit, tstat, and the other crap listed in my sig. Now I have a TB, x pipe and converter awaiting install and it seems that 13s are in my very near future. That stuff wasnt "easy stuff" but stuff needed to get me to 13s on a budget (I've spent less than 3k in mods/install). Without a good starting point and the "easy" stuff, 12s would be very hard to get, even with the heads and cams you speak of.
 
Every mod help's even down to just bolting a crank pulley on so I dont agree with bolt-ons being called easy BS mods. These are all part of the big picture. It just sucks that there is such a limited supply of parts for these cars where as the 2V has a full catalog of parts.
 
I smell a few haters on here. Some sound like they are worried about getting there asses handed to them by an N/A car. Good luck Mest30, and Blackened300a
 
Running 12's had some meaning 2-3 years ago when most owners had low mileage marauders. Today a 12 second run will give you the 58th spot on the Timeslip database and a honorable mention on this sight. You will not be able to achieve consistent 12 second runs in a competitive race, just bragging rights. Anyone remember who are the four members that made up the US 4x200m freestyle team in China. My point is this, it will take a major investment to run those times in a 4.6 DOHC motor and after the goal was achieved what's the meaning. Most have looked pass this goal and are looking at the elevens as the next frontier. We have a blue print for how to do this. My best N/A time was 13.50. From that point boost was my next mod because I don't want to port heads, change cams, or increase timing beyond 22 degrees. You can save your money and purchase a super charger as your only mod and run with the big dogs. Once you have boost you will never look back. For those who don't, they look forward to the day they can run a 12.99 N/A.
 
I hope somebody does run 12's N/A, I'd like to be there to shake thier hand.
I get a kick out of cruze, who continues to berate Trilogy, eventhough he has admittedly said aloud , he would like to have a Trilogy enhanced Marauder.
What's the fastest Marauder running? Oh Yeah, that Sh*tty Eaton!:D


johnkuhn said:
What is this supposed to mean?
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How does an N/A thread devolve into S/C Wars part 5?

If you want to runs 12s in a Marauder;

THE CHEAPEST route is via NOS.
THE BEST route is via Supercharging
THE HARDEST way is N/A

Now someone can start another thread to argue about the BEST supercharger.
 
Joe Walsh said:
How does an N/A thread devolve into S/C Wars part 5?

If you want to runs 12s in a Marauder;

THE CHEAPEST route is via NOS.
THE BEST route is via Supercharging
THE HARDEST way is N/A

Now someone can start another thread to argue about the BEST supercharger.
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:lol: good responce joe. I like that answer :up:
 
If I could do it ALL OVER again, I would:

1: Get a good tune
2: Get a set of gears
3: Get a Supercharger
4: Add ALL the other mods as my budget allowed

I am the knucklehead who spent gobs of money doing it the hard, expensive way.
 
Joe Walsh said:
If I could do it ALL OVER again, I would:

1: Get a good tune
2: Get a set of gears
3: Get a Supercharger
4: Add ALL the other mods as my budget allowed

I am the knucklehead who spent gobs of money doing it the hard, expensive way.
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I am the other one Joe! Would have saved a lot of money.
 
I never said it would be cheap...

But its completly possible. Some folks like running N/A. Some say Tamatto some people say tomatto... Its just "to each their own".

Making a 4V extremely fast is very easy with 6k (trilogy cost) Having a port job done on oem 4v heads with a mill and cams will run you around 3k. Getting the OEM intake fully ported to support the RPM of the cams another 500ish. 4.56 gears (same as cost as everyone else doing 4.10's) Some 305 nitto's, 400$ish. All the other basic hardware like long tubes, true 2.5 exhaust system, ect.

Its really not that hard. Its just no one here deals with heads/cams much because MM folks arn't much of a DIY crowd with engine work, so to pay someone to do all the work is very expensive.

Yes you'll go faster with forced induction and yes, its much easier to install, thats why trilogy gets 6k a kit. They know you'd rather pay the coin for every thing put together and an easy swap than pay someone to do it.

If I didn't already have 2 gofast cars and a horrible gun addiction I'd love to do extactly what I've mentioned to the MM and make it haul N/A.
 
Ok, Possible!, but still untraveled ground thus far.

Maybe you guys that got close to this goal, can weigh in on how much money you spent in trying to achieve 12's, if in fact that was even the goal.
This is not meant to embarass, just to let the members know how much money is involved.
 
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