"Internals 101" recap and conclusion

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Thanks for all the kind words, gentlemen. I'll try and answer as many questions as I can, hope I don't leave anyone out.
maraudernkc said:
What Injectors are you running? What fuel Pump system are you running? Are you running a 6 rib or 8 rib pulley? On our Dyno testing we saw the 39LB (03 Cobra Injectors) running out of fuel at around 475RWHP.
Ford Racing, 42# injectors. 6 rib system, stock water pump. It's a Walbro 255 in the tank, with Reinhart's external filter and -8 braided lines. Getting those 45 degree bends out the fuel line was critical to maintaining decent pressure. I think the lowest FP was 40# @ 6400 RPM.
MAD-3R said:
How I know the tick. It does decrease a bit with breakin. not much, but some. Did you go with the Billit Oil pump gears?
I know you know this sound, Phil, and I tend to have some fun with it. When someone who thinks they know something about race engines asks me about my "piston slap", I just tell them the noise is my from my solid lifters and roller rockers...Hehehe. I stuck with the OEM pump and gears, but I did my homework too. For moderate builds like mine, billet gears are a waste of money, and the Ford Racing HO pump is good stuff, but it will suck your OEM capacity pan dry in one pass. I'm betting the OEM pump and gears will be fine, but only time will tell. Some I spoke to said the whole billet gears thingy was more a sales pitch than not. Also a story about Sean Hyland's experience being traced back to bad crank snouts, not weak gears. What ever, but I prefer my advice to come from real world experience, and there are many more OEM gear sets on the 1320 track, than not.
MarauderMark said:
Is this just the short block ? If you did the heads what did you do ?
This was a whole engine build, Mark, top to bottom. Mild competition 3 angle valve grind, retaining stock valves, springs and cams.
merc said:
One of the topics of discussion around my neck of the woods is centrifical superchargers leaking fluids. I have seen 3 prochargers returned for seal problems. I don't have much data about the overall reliability of seals. Word of mouth and group forums, like this one, becomes the first source of education. SergntMac, could you elaborate about the T-Trim upgrade and any additional technical information that you obtained from Votech. What is the warranty from the manufacture and how was their customer service. Dan
Vortech says their average seal life is 40 to 50K, depending on owner abuse, and I think it's only logical to agree. The S and T trim blower mainshafts are capable of 50,000 RPM, add to that exposure to the elements and some "variations" in the install, and I cannot expect any blower seal to live that long. Just one of the conditions of ownership, I suppose. I do feel that Vortech's positive lubricated system which takes cooler and fresh oil from the engine has merits that a sealed system does not, but to each his own. As for the customer service with Vortech, it was a bit dry at first. But, after chewing the fat with John Snee, a very good friend of Kenny Brown and Dennis Reinhart. Things went smoothly when John recalled working on the 1x project back in '02. I have a 3 year limited warranty on the T tirm upgrade.
 
Excellent post!!! Now I need a built block too!! I can only handle one project at a time, though, and DR has my Saleen in the shop for an 03 Cobra/Kenne Bell/4R70W swap :) I really want a 500rwhp Marauder, though, and you are oh so close!! How's the tranny holding up? Does the converter slip?


I think you meant to say the Probe pistons are non-offset :) Got a set of those in the Saleen now, and they do slap. The offset (stock) keeps the pistons from rocking in the bore, eliminating the slap.

For those contemplating a full build, the Marauder got the worst of the 4.6L aluminum blocks :( For really big hp use you may want to consider a 99 or so Cobra block, or even an iron block. I doubt block flex is an issue below 500rwhp at moderate rpms. I also think the oil pump gears should be upgraded, just in case you ever get detonation. With forged goodies the engine will live longer, but that leaves the gears a weak link. Why doesn't someone else just make a set out of good steel? At a reasonable price there wouldn't be ay question about replacing them.

David
SCT
 
Great to see you again Sarge! What an engine that must be! :bows:

BTW, Next Thursday is Texas Day of the Tartan! Drive that beast down here and we'll go hit the pubs in our kilts. :beer:
 
SergntMac said:
Several months ago, I started a thread here detailing my own custom engine build. I didn't do this work myself, I just picked the parts and hired the talent. Well, after four months of blood, sweat, tears and CASH, it's done.

If you like to hear punch lines first, here are the totals, including any shipping, handling, tax and so on. Beer not included, that's a whole 'nother budget.

INVESTMENT
Engine build by Randy Crowley/PER = 6307.00
Vortech blower upgrade to T trim = 1200.00
Sutton Ford dyno tune with SCT "Big Air" MAF install = 628.00

RESULTS
478 RWHP/434 RWTQ
15 lbs. of boost (3.12 pulley) 12.0 AFR
No headers/no juice, lot's of options ahead.

Okay, there's your punch line, read on if you want to hear the joke.

For y'all who are relatively new here at MM.Net, I own the Kenny Brown Marauder S, serial #1x. This is the first Marauder to be supercharged, and it was built as an experimental car. The Marauder S is a whole car build, one stop shopping. Buy one and drive it like you stole it. My 1x was built, tested, and retired in 2002, long before supercharging took hold as it has here today. KB went on to build 50 more Marauder S cars and they are scattered all over the country, some in public service. I know of 3 others here, and one in the wild.

My 1x is rough, not refined. Lots of first time try outs with mods on the whole car. However, from this experiment, we learned about chips, custom tuning, tires, suspension, exhaust, brake upgrades, and a whole lot more. If you're modding your MM today, your choices in mods began with this car. Thank you Kenny brown.

Please no wars or flames over this, I didn't select any particular style of supercharging over another, and I'm not here to start this childish argument one more time. The KB Marauder S employs a Vortech centrifugal blower in "S" trim, and my point is that in 2002, there were no choices to make. There was only one supercharged Marauder in the world at the time, and it's mine. I didn't pick the blower, I bought the whole car, and it was present for the Trilogy #1 unveiling and open house. On that day, y'all got a choice.

My 1x drew some attention from popular magazines and television. It was a very daring experiment commissioned by my friend Bill Karrow, known here as MENSREA. This Marauder has a history behind it, and anything automotive with a history behind it also means it's growing old. Considering the 16K miles driven in experiment and testing, and the thousands of miles of brutal treatment under my ownership, I was sure something was going to give up someday. Since I took ownership, I have rebuilt the rear end and transmission, so, it's only logical to expect the engine to wear out. Rather than wait for that, I went shopping.

First stop was Dennis Reinhart, who wrote me an outline for a race engine. What to look for in wear in tear, and how to address that. Also some education of what's out on the marker today, thank you my friend, Dennis.

Next stop was finding a builder. I considered Jim O'Neil in Michigan, Paul's HP, and VT Engineering, and I drove out to meet all of them personally. However, in the end, all were just a bit too far away from home. I interviewed as many local builders, and a few mail order companies, not finding a comfort zone with any of them until I met Randy Crowley at PER Race engines (www.per-race-engines.com). After a few planning sessions, I turned the 1x over to Randy and his very professional PER crew.

Randy pulled the engine, broke it down and speced everthing for wear and tear. After 20K of supercharged beating, the bone stock MM engine was in almost new condition. Very little to worry about after all, but you wouldn't know this without the inspection.

Randy retained the stock block and added a balanced forged crank from Ford Racing, Eagle "H" beam rods, JE aluminum forged pistons with a 13cc dish, Clevelite 77 main and rod bearings, Cometic gaskets, and ARP fastners throughout for the new build. Everything was professionally cleaned, tested, balanced and hand fit together. A clean up "cross thatch" hone to the bore, mild competition 3 angle valve job, .005 decking to heads and block and so on. A very professional and sturdy build, this engine is durable and will take up to 30 pounds of boost safely. 6307.00, and I drove the 1x home.

BTW, the JE pistons use an offset wrist pin ffor power and durability, but there is a side affect of an engine "tick." I know this will make some of you nuts, and if so, don't build yourself a race engine, k?

The next step was a trip to Lidio's for fine tuning. We changed out the stock KB 3.48 pulley for a 3.12 pulley, but went home disappointed. Only 10 lbs of boost, and a dismal 411 RWHP, not to mention a persistent oil leak from Lord knows where. What did I miss? Well, it was like tripping over a log in the forest, the 13 CC dish in the JE pistons effectively reduced my compression ration to 9:1. Great...I can burn 87 octane gas, but I'm not going anywhere. Even with the pulley change, the Vortech "S" trim wasn't up to the new challenge, and the lower compression ratio was sucking the blower dry. Fortunately (and why I have come to like centrifugal blowers), the Vortech is rebuildable.

I sent the blower back to Vortech for an upgrade to the "T" trim, and here's why. The "S" trim blower is capable of 50,000 RPM producing 20 Lbs. of boost @ 1,000 CFM, good for 680 HP. The "T" trim is capable of 55,000 RPM, producing 26 Lbs. of boost @ 1,200 CFM, good for 825 HP. Moreover, Vortech discovered that the front and rear seals on the blower had given up, and there's the oil leak I couldn't track down to save my life. So, something was about to fail after all, and I was pleased to get some problems solved. Retaining the 3.12 pulley, the new blower was reinstalled and the 1x ran like it never ran before. Just wild with power. Cost plus shipping, insurance and so on...1200.

I knew this new combination needed to be retuned even after Lidio's fine tune. Thinking in small "adjustment" terms to my AFR and so on, I decided to save myself the 800 mile round trip to Lidio, and visit Sutton Ford here in Matteson IL. (www.suttonhp.com).

I met these guys almost a year ago when Sutton decided to dive into the local race car business. Zack and I even attended a two day SCT tuning training session with Jerry W. there last year. Back then, Sutton was a solid dealership with 12+ years in the business, but new to the high performance game. Coming back a year later, a lot has developed, and it's all good. To call them a "superstore" is an understatement.

Well, just yesterday, we wrapped up the engine build and produced the performance specs you laughed at ^ there. It was a very interesting dyno day and I learned a lot. My 1x still used the OEM MAF in a blow through (after supercharging) design, and that wasn't working out with the new engine and blower. The meter pegged at 4K rpm and the AFR dropped to 10. Not good, pig rich, and if the meter is pegged, you're not going to tune around it with fuel/timing/spark table manipulation.

My SCT Master Tuner Jerry VanDerlinde suggested changing the MAF and he had a 90mm Ford Racing MAF on the shelf. We tried this, but it won't work. '03 Marauders read the AIT at the MAF, and I didn't feel like changing any wires. Jerry, also an SCT dealer, suggested the SCT "Big Air" 90mm MAF, and it fit perfectly wiring and all. The one problem, he had no Marauder SCT files on hand for the Big Air MAF. We spent the day building a file, and fine tuning away from a "turbulence" condition common with blow through setups. Late last night, the job was done. The SCT "Big Air" and dyno tuning, at real deal at 628.00 Jerry VanDerlinde and Sutton Ford rock!

Well, that's the joke, and the punch line. The thing to remember here, is that I am now on the botton rung of a whole new ladder. 478 RWHP/434 RWTQ on 93 octane, 312. pulley, 12.0 AFR, 15# of boost...8135.00. No fuel system complications, everything is flowing fine with 45# throughout the RPM spectrum. No headers, no juice, just raw (and safe) power to the ground, with a whole lot of room to grow.

I won't speculate any ET. I'm a crappy 1320 driver, but you're welcome to start a pool. When the tracks open around here, Zack's going to give the 1x a few drives and we'll see where the my investment gets me. Needless to say it's been an adventure, and I am very pleased with the 1x car today. This is one bad assed Marauder.

My sincere thanks to all who helped me through the project, most importantly, Zack. Never had a better friend.


Good to see you back! I'll be reading this.
 
Haggis said:
Now stop being a lurker and come out of hiding, you are greatly missed around here and we need you back. Who cares what others may think or say.

I second that, Mac...there aren't many of us old-timers left... :D
 
Persistence...

...coupled with vision will generally succeed when effort/cost is no obstacle to personal achievement.

Congratulations.
My sincere wishes for your enjoyment of the fruit of your labor.
I'm sure it has been NO small feat.
 
Great Job Mac!

Good to read your post on the rebuild summary - very interesting. Please give us a continuing update on how it does on the track. It will be great reading.

Glenn
 
Glenn said:
Please give us a continuing update on how it does on the track. Glenn
No problem, Glenn, but first, an apology to my friend Arun (ADE1000).

This past week we made arrangements to meet up on Saturday afternoon (4/2), and I completely forgot about it. I was sitting at my desk around 10 AM when I noticed the announcement in the Windy City forum, that a local race track, Great Lakes Drag-a-way, was offering free drag racing as a season opener. I delegated my work for the day and hit the highway, oblivious to the fact that I was to meet up with Arun after work. Sorry Arun, hope you understand. Oh...The lure of speed and burnt rubber...

So...I scoot up to Great Lakes, and met up with "Motorhead 350", while there.

GLD isn't one of my favorite drag strips, but it was the first open in my area. 55 degrees, 46 percent humidty, scatttered clouds and 15 MPH headwind. Almost perfect for a fun day of racing, eh? Not so fast...

The place was reasonably crowded, but there were enough mishaps to keep turnaround time high. Ricers with some very unusual concepts about drag racing got lanes closed twice. Six hours earned 3 passes. 15.642/104 MPH, 14.588/107 MPH, and the best of the day, 13.421/110 MPH, all on street tires. Ugh.

No traction, none at all. Dominic (Motorhead 350) said he was 1.5 seconds slow too, and by the looks of his immaculate '90 Blazer, I believe him. Anyway, my best time came from simply driving away from the tree and hammering it in second gear. Even then, it got a bit wild. Nonetheless, the MPH tells the story, 110 MPH trap speed shows promise and potential, just need to find the right tire combination. I'm considering the Micky Thompson drag radial now available in 18 inch, or, the tried and true BFG.

Dominic, your Blazer will rock with that Weiand blower, best wishes with your project.
 
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13's now but you should be soon 11's

SergntMac said:
Six hours earned 3 passes. 15.642/104 MPH, 14.588/107 MPH, and the best of the day, 13.421/110 MPH, all on street tires. Ugh.

No traction, none at all. Dominic (Motorhead 350) said he was 1.5 seconds slow too, and by the looks of his immaculate '90 Blazer, I believe him. Anyway, my best time came from simply driving away from the tree and hammering it in second gear. Even then, it got a bit wild. Nonetheless, the MPH tells the story, 110 MPH trap speed shows promise and potential, just need to find the right tire combination. I'm considering the Micky Thompson drag radial now available in 18 inch, or, the tried and true BFG.

Dominic, your Blazer will rock with that Weiand blower, best wishes with your project.


I think when you go up to run the MM go through the water spot and smoke em for about 10 or 15 full seconds.That should have em nice and sticky , i mean maybe you didn't heat them up long enough cause thats what i did and ran a 12.1 on stock tires..just a thought..
 
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Mac, will you be coming to MVIII? If you can't make the whole week how about coming for Track Day? Glad you are back on the road.
 
Sarge - you are certainly welcome to come to the May meet here in Cedar Falls. It's only 2 hours farther than the Rock Island dyno day you attended in '03.

We'd love to have you and see what that car can do.

-A
 
OTR Road test completed.

I've been testing my new engine and tune from every aspect I can imagine, and it's passed every test with flying colors.

Yesterday (4/5), I took a 650 mile round trip to Detroit. Perfect driving weather, temps in the low/mid 70's. Engine water temps steady at 183 degrees, IAT temps held 7-10 above ambient. Max boost 16.4 at WOT. I averaged 18 MPG on the trip out, and 21.3 on the return home. The only difference between the two trips that I can credit this to would be using the A/C on the trip out, and a steady tailwind on the trip home.

The 1x peformed flawlessly, this car is tuned for battle. As mods, I strongly support the SCT "Big Air" MAF, and SCT custom tuning. This combination rocks! Looks like the only mod left to debate, is a set of drag radials.

Thanks again y'all for the kind words and support.
 
SergntMac, You can tell from your trap speed that you had no traction. You should have some great times when you hook up.

I am getting ready to drop in my new forged bottom end and was wondering what size pulley you were running on your Vortech and how much total timing did they put in your tune. My motor will be 9 to 1 compression ratio.

Is your new motor 8.5 to 1?

Will you be at Marauderville?

SergntMac said:
No problem, Glenn, but first, an apology to my friend Arun (ADE1000).

This past week we made arrangements to meet up on Saturday afternoon (4/2), and I completely forgot about it. I was sitting at my desk around 10 AM when I noticed the announcement in the Windy City forum, that a local race track, Great Lakes Drag-a-way, was offering free drag racing as a season opener. I delegated my work for the day and hit the highway, oblivious to the fact that I was to meet up with Arun after work. Sorry Arun, hope you understand. Oh...The lure of speed and burnt rubber...

So...I scoot up to Great Lakes, and met up with "Motorhead 350", while there.

GLD isn't one of my favorite drag strips, but it was the first open in my area. 55 degrees, 46 percent humidty, scatttered clouds and 15 MPH headwind. Almost perfect for a fun day of racing, eh? Not so fast...

The place was reasonably crowded, but there were enough mishaps to keep turnaround time high. Ricers with some very unusual concepts about drag racing got lanes closed twice. Six hours earned 3 passes. 15.642/104 MPH, 14.588/107 MPH, and the best of the day, 13.421/110 MPH, all on street tires. Ugh.

No traction, none at all. Dominic (Motorhead 350) said he was 1.5 seconds slow too, and by the looks of his immaculate '90 Blazer, I believe him. Anyway, my best time came from simply driving away from the tree and hammering it in second gear. Even then, it got a bit wild. Nonetheless, the MPH tells the story, 110 MPH trap speed shows promise and potential, just need to find the right tire combination. I'm considering the Micky Thompson drag radial now available in 18 inch, or, the tried and true BFG.

Dominic, your Blazer will rock with that Weiand blower, best wishes with your project.
 
maraudernkc said:
I am getting ready to drop in my new forged bottom end and was wondering what size pulley you were running on your Vortech and how much total timing did they put in your tune. My motor will be 9 to 1 compression ratio. Is your new motor 8.5 to 1? Will you be at Marauderville?
It's a Vortech T trim with a 3.12 pulley, 15# of boost. I can't answer the "total timing" question, Greg, because I don't know. The 13cc dished JE forged pistons and .005 decking to head and block brought the compression down to 9:1, Cometic gaskets. I'm not planning to attend MVIII.
 
Mac, let me drive down the 1/4.......... then it really will be like old times out at the track with the announcer saying "holy crap, was that a Mercury?"..... glad you are enjoying the car. You are one of the BEST people I have ever met and you deserve a little fun, even if it makes me green with envy... BTW, minnesota sucks. For the rest of you, when your marauder was still a pile of steel, Macs car was rockin the automotive world, it sure was fun being first. Well Mac, take it easy and see you on power tour, just take it easy on my wimpy GTO.....
 
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