Turbocharged Coyote/6R80 Swap, Build/Discussion Thread, Pics, info inside!

[96gt4.6]

Do any necessary functions remain in the stock ECU? It sounds like there do not, and you could remove or disconnect it.

You are entirely correct sir.

The stock ECU becomes completely inoperative. On my Vic, I left the stock ECU in it's stock location, along with leaving the stock ECU connector, for visual purposes.

On this swap, the Coyote mounting flange/face looks VERY much like the outgoing Marauder ECU/Firewall adapter plate. If this is so, I'm going to mount the Coyote ECU in the stock location.

Now, it gets more complicated on 2005+ Panthers.....as the stock ECU plays a MUCH bigger part in the picture, they rely heavily on network sharing of engine data/ect, so it would be a MUCH more complicated swap without using aftermarket gauges, ect. And, there would probably be more non functional items in the car.

Luckily, up to 2004, all cluster inputs are hardwired to the respective engine sensors. And, the Variable assist/Air Ride module only require a VSS input which is shared to the Cluster for speedo operation.

I will achieve that through the use of a Dakota digital signal inverter tied into the OSS sensor on the trans, or alternatively by tying it into one of the 4 wheel speed sensors and modifying the pulse value to correct the speedo via the Dakota digital SGI-5 box. I've used this box in the past for LS swaps and it works beautifully!

 

[Drewstang]

Subscribing. This has been in the back of my mind since I sold my Marauder a few years ago. Glad to see you're making great progress.

 

[96gt4.6]

I recently had a PM asking for the full part# list for the parts used to convert the F150 motor to Mustang specs less pistons/intake/crankshaft. Here are the part numbers.

BR3Z-6881-M - OIL FILTER ADAPTER <---YOU CAN RE-USE THE F150 BOLTS FOR THIS ITEM, THEY ARE THE SAME PART #. YOU WILL ALSO NEED THE NIPPLE, I LOST THE BAG AND HENCE THE PART #
BR3Z-6600-A - OIL PUMP
W707288-S437 - IDILER PULLEY SCREW
BR3Z-6019-G - MUSTANG TIMING COVER - LATER DESIGN WITH A/C TENSIONER PROVISION
BR3Z-6710-A - OIL PAN GASKET W/WINDAGE TRAY
BR3Z-6250-F - INTAKE CAMSHAFT
BR3Z-6250-E - INTAKE CAMSHAFT
BR3Z-8678-A - IDILER PULLEY


Slap an air filter on this baby and we're doing some wiring this weekend:

 

[Bad_S55]

Now, it gets more complicated on 2005+ Panthers.....as the stock ECU plays a MUCH bigger part in the picture, they rely heavily on network sharing of engine data/ect, so it would be a MUCH more complicated swap without using aftermarket gauges, ect. And, there would probably be more non functional items in the car.

I guess this could work out for me since I'm working on putting a custom aftermarket gauge cluster in my car, I don't have air ride, a compass, digital climate control, or any of the other goodies. Woo hoo for the 2005 base model!

 

[justbob]

Kickin some major ass right here! Good work!


Builder Of Badassery

 

[Joe Walsh]

Slap an air filter on this baby and we're doing some wiring this weekend:

This picture is like automotive Viagra!!

There might be hope for putting another modular engine in my Marauder!!
Up until this thread, I was stuck in Maryland's Emission testing hell along with my wounded big bore 5.0L.

 

[96gt4.6]

Finally on to my favorite part, wiring and factory gauge integration. Less the wiring chase and looms, here's how the Coyote looks under the hood of a Marauder in my version:

 

[GoldPanther]

Impressive and awesome!!! Can't wait to see it running!

just for curiosity I have a question, Do you think it's possible to install a 6R80 in a panther all by itself? since the PCM commands both engine and trans how could it be possible to make it work accordingly to the engine?

 

[96gt4.6]

At this point in time, I don't believe there is an aftermarket controller for the 6R80. You would need to use a factory ECU which would necessitate using the matching engine combo with it.

I'm sure though that in time, someone will make an aftermarket controller so that it could be used behind older engine combinations. It's a great trans, tough as nails in stock trim and can be bolted behind older Modulars.

 

[PHHHHTT]

If any member here has a contact with anyone with the Ford Motor Company Engineering/Product Development Departments, send them a note to view this thread! They need to see what is being done!

 

[96gt4.6]

Easy-cheesey! Wiring over 60% done. More to come soon.

 

[BigM460]

Like button!

 

[walt460]

Did that HP Tuner's EPATS delete really work and did it keep all the engine and 6R80 controls as factory?

 

[96gt4.6]

We are literally on the verge of finding out.

The ECU reads/writes, and is up and running.

All trans parameters display, all bi-directional controls operational.

I need to finish up a few small things on the engine before we try a test fire. It's close!

 

[8UWITH6]

Good work sir. Love it.

 

[lji372]

chubby going on over here........

 

[myrodr]

outstanding! hope to see start-up post soon.

 

[CWright]

chubby going on over here........

What Jerry is trying to say is, Do you want that Bone in or Bone out!




I can't wait to see how it turns out. Good luck buddy! :beer:

 

[Drewstang]

And then??????.....

 

[96gt4.6]

Update!!!!

I'll start off by saying the HP Tuners bypass was not successful . On these newer ECU's the starting system is controlled by the PCM (if you so wish to wire it that way, which I did). All you have to do is bump the key to start and the ECU takes over cranking for you until the engine starts. BUT, this ONLY occurs if the PATS system has sent the OK signal to the ECU, OR the PATS is entirely disabled.

When I got the wiring done, I tried to crank the car, nothing. Double checked all my wiring/inputs, all good. Got out my personal dealer-level scan tool, checked all the enabler parameters. Everything was a go, trans range sensor, start input request from the ignition key, ect. EXCEPT one thing....the PATS was keeping the vehicle from starting.....total bummer!

Here's the screenshot showing the ECU data and confirming it's disabled:

Unless that little box says enabled, there will be no crank, no spark, period.

Now, in the beginning I was informed this was experimental on HP Tuners behalf, so I am IN NO WAY UPSET, I just wanted to let that be known, it could have went either way and that was entirely conveyed to me in the beginning.

So, as I had stated in the beginning, I had a backup plan, two actually.

The second was to send the ECU to Lund Racing, whom have done multiple ECU's and confirmed they can indeed delete the EPATS. However, I was quoted $500 as that service is only done via a Tune with it.

Ok, no biggie, that's pennies on the $$ when doing this type of work.

However, I had a final solution that I personally had thought of in the beginning that would work as a last resort, and it cost me $35, Although I have to write the performance tune for the car, which is fine by me as having someone tune it learns you nothing in the end, and any time you make changes you're stuck sending the ECU off, as well as never really knowing what's going on under the hood, and/or if problems crop up, you're at the tuner's mercy.

This video is quick and crude, as I have to fabricate the trans cooler lines (hence the gurgling in the end into my pan on the shop floor).

So, without further delay, I give you what I believe to be the World's First, Coyote, 6R80, Salvage Pullout with stock F150 wiring harness converted standalone, swapped Marauder, 8-17-15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSvTNAOZMtU

Running/idiling videos to come soon. After I get the rest of the small plumbing done, you'll also be in store for some hairy burnout videos, if this pig will even do one

Thank you all for the support thus far. This thing is just beginning, I am already starting the layout for the Hairdryer and 2nd phase of the project, after she's up/running and made a few passes all motor/all stock.

Blue Oval 4 Life!