Unions in Michigan

My bid won marauderville!

Wow, i really thought Atlanta was going to win!

Wait till all my neighbors see all those MM's pull up! Nice cars they will say...wait...they are Americans!!!

Back inside! I bet they will even lock their doors!









:D

Dibs on the garage. WooHoo, I am going to be staying at my buddy kernie's house for MVXI.
 
My bid won marauderville!



Back inside! I bet they will even lock their doors!









:D
Not me! I rarely lock the house, and when the MM is actually in the driveway the keys can usually be found dangling from the ignition! Now the garage.. It is always on lock down. 😉





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We cannot talk about unions anymore because someone will call union workers lazy, some union guy will take it personal, and mein fuhrer2004 will step in and lock this bish down faster than anything.

Well the problem is people speak in generalities or stereotypes. I personally know two union members on this board that are the hardest working people I've ever seen. They don't take vacations, they work insane hours, they don't take sick days, and they don't get to leave early to watch their kids musical or sporting events.

If I were them, and someone called all union people lazy, drunk and stupid, I'd be pissed off and rightfully so.

Unfortunately on this board we will take one group of people and paint them all with the same brush

Or because someone tries to keep the board at a level where all are welcome, we compare him to Hitler, which is about the most offensive thing you can say about a person.

I know Mike, he is a close friend of mine, maybe if you ever showed up for a meet, you would feel differently about him.

A more caring, dedicated, and ethical man you will not find


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Not me! I rarely lock the house, and when the MM is actually in the driveway the keys can usually be found dangling from the ignition! Now the garage.. It is always on lock down. ��





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You really don't lock the doors and leave the keys in the ignition!? Naw. Jeez i was just kidding when i said "might lock the doors", it was in a Michael Moore movie.

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You really don't lock the doors and leave the keys in the ignition!? Naw. Jeez i was just kidding when i said "might lock the doors", it was in a Michael Moore movie.

:beer:

Pretty much. The keys are either A) I was gonna run back out, didn't, forgot about them till the next day or B) was gonna run back out, didn't, thought about retrieving them and thought screw that, who the hell would steal a Merc?

I live in a quiet subdivision anywho.


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Dude, instead of copy and pasting, how about you just post the links, it will probably save a tremendous amount of space on the server



Are you just surfing the websites to find random stuff to post?




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No doubt. Scrolling through all this Paste after paste is getting really OLD.




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Poorer depends on where you draw the line at considering people "rich". If you draw it at the top 5%, they are getting poorer. If you draw it at 250k per household, they are getting poorer. If you draw it a million + per year income, they are probably getting richer.

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

Note the decline at the top 1%, starting in 2007 when it peaked.

The problem is, it's these income levels (250k+ or top 5%) that pay the BULK of the taxes.

Note also, the fact that the top 5%, starting at just 160k/yr AGI, pay almost 60% of ALL taxes. The rest 95% pay the other 40%...

I know exactly your next argument - and that will be that well, the top 5% make more money than the other 95%, but that is simply not true, they have a lower share than 60% of all income - they pay that much of the total taxes because they are taxed at much higher rates.

You discourage these to work as hard and you will hurt tax revenues like there is no tomorrow. Don't believe me? Look at UK. Losing entrepreneurs left and right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...fficial-statistics-to-avoid-50p-tax-rate.html

How is it the bottom 50% pay 2% of all taxes, while the top 50% pays 98% of all taxes? Why shouldn't everyone simply pay for how much government they consume? Why do I have to carry my weight and another person's weight on my back?



That's funny, i read an article about France's rich leaving for England. I couldn't find it but here is an article about those poor suffering french rich.

I really was talking about the top 1% or even less who will be the big winners of the union busting, hey it's faux news who are leading the union busting crusade, that should tell you all you need to know.




The proposed 75 percent top tax rate, up from 48 percent, will affect around 30,000 French citizens, or 0.46 percent of the population.
If Parliament approves the budget when it comes up for review in September, France will have the world’s highest tax rate, beating the top rate for Aruba, the country with the highest top tax rate.



The move comes a day after Spain presented its new belt-tightening budget. The French government announced plans to raise €30bn in a bid to cut the public deficit to 3 percent of GDP from the existing 4.5 percent.
Reports suggest that only one-third of the required revenue will come from spending cuts. Around €10bn will most likely be raised through fresh taxes on the rich, while another €10bn may be mopped up from the corporate sector. Existing tax exemptions are also likely to be slashed.
But while millionaire taxpayers are reportedly angry at the move, the government has softened the blow by announcing that the punishing rate will only be in effect for two years.
The government has made it clear that the middle and working classes will not be badly affected by the budget. "With constant incomes, nine out of 10 French taxpayers will not be affected by the tax increases," said the French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault, according to AFP.
According to the latest unemployment figures, France has more than three million people out of work, the country's highest figure in recent times. Its economy has been largely stagnant for the last three years.
Even the government's modest growth rate of 0.8 percent projected for the year is considered ambitious by experts.
Ayrault defended the projection, telling France 2 Television that it is realistic and within reach. "This budget is about struggle, about reconstruction. If we abandon the [3 percent] target, our interest rates will rise immediately."

http://www.ibtimes.com/france-hammer-millionaires-75-top-tax-rate-797233
 
Its coming down to the entitled and those who have to pay for it. Those who work and pay saying enough, I did not work this hard to give my money away so some schlime can sit on their lazy azz to drink & drug all day on my dime, through the redistribution of wealth of the socom government we now have.

75%, I'd give it to charity 1st, at least it may do some good. :puke:
 
Its coming down to the entitled and those who have to pay for it. Those who work and pay saying enough, I did not work this hard to give my money away so some schlime can sit on their lazy azz to drink & drug all day on my dime, through the redistribution of wealth of the socom government we now have.

75%, I'd give it to charity 1st, at least it may do some good. :puke:

Not all union workers are drunks and lazy, like every work force or group of people, there are good and bad. There are absolute needs for unions, especially in construction where contractors will abuse workers to come in under budget, maximize profits and increase job capabilities.

We focus on one group that was caught drinking on the job, and suddenly all union workers drink on the job

Unions helped provide some of the workers rights you have today whether your union or not

Overtime
Holiday pay
Minimum wage
Safe work environment
Safety equipment mandates

Just to name a few. We have union brethren on this site

Teachers
Police officers
Plumbers
Drillers
Electricians
General contractors

Who are patient enough not to comment in a thread like this and yet they have been called drunks and lazy over and over on this thread. They've been called evil, they've been blamed for ruining the country

I'm willing to bet all of you in this thread would have a much different opinion of you met some of our union members on this board and saw how hard they work

I have friend on this board, union, he has had 1 vacation in 8 years, he doesn't get to see his kids at their school functions, he doesn't get to take his wife on a weekend getaway, if he has a cold he can't call in sick, oh and when he does have spare time, he busts his ass doing work on this sites Marauders


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I've seen the good and bad in unions.

As a young union worker (steelworkers), I was told by my union rep not to work hard. Just do what you have to.

As a UAW parts depot worker, I knew exacly how much work was required of me, so I'd do my job and then go to the locker room for hours to finish my homework (Rutgers/night school).

As a first line warehouse supervisor, the union rep, in private, threatened my job by suggesting I "play ball" or ten workers would swear I hit him, and I'd be out of work.

But, while managing union workers as a project manager doing remote branch IT office projects, I never met a lazy union worker; in fact, sometimes in a rough spot, I saw them jump through hoops to get a problem solved.

But, these were well paid skilled union workers, not "load the shelves" employees.

If my dad hadn't landed a union job (steelworkers) when he came here from Italy with a 6th grade education, my life would have been greatly different.

But, he was a worker.
 
Ponyup, ??? on my post. I wasn't referring to unions. I have been a union member all my adult life and a former: regional VP, Trustee and Exec VP. Not to mention being the local unit chair. I am now in the retirees chapter of our PBA.

I was replying to a slightly off topic post about taxation and the entitlement society it has fostered.
 
Ponyup, ??? on my post. I wasn't referring to unions. I have been a union member all my adult life and a former: regional VP, Trustee and Exec VP. Not to mention being the local unit chair. I am now in the retirees chapter of our PBA.

I was replying to a slightly off topic post about taxation and the entitlement society it has fostered.

Yeah sorry Ray, I quoted you than got off on a tangent, my bad


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